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Discussions - Public / The Las Vegas shooter: a suicidal sociopath
« Last post by I D Shukhov on October 04, 2017, 07:55:17 AM »
I think there is a subtype of suicides whose brain expands the victim list of not just themselves but others as well.  The smallest set of victims would be a 2-person murder-suicide you read about all the time in the paper.

But a much more disastrous type of this is when the suicide also happens to be a sociopath as in the case of :

The crash was deliberately caused by the co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, who had previously been treated for suicidal tendencies and declared "unfit to work" by a doctor. Lubitz kept this information from his employer and instead reported for duty. Shortly after reaching cruise altitude and while the captain was momentarily out of the cockpit, he locked the cockpit door and initiated a controlled descent that continued until the aircraft impacted a mountainside.
  (killing all 150 people on board)

Clearly Paddock was like this.  Depressed, suicidal and sociopathic.  If a depressed person commits suicide it's a tragedy, but if a depressed sociopathic person is suicidal it becomes a public health issue.  Not sure how society protects itself...

Somewhat off topic tangent  -

I just did a small plumbing project in our house.

We have a sump pump that directs infiltrating basement water into a drain outside, and the part of the yard where the drain outlet is has become a swamp.

So I created a new drain in the basement, to take the water from the sump pump and direct the flow to the opposite side of the house and the yard, in what I hope is a much drier area that can take the water better.

Figuring out the path the pipe should take; figuring out the fall of the pipe for good drainage; determining where to place the pipe hangers; busting a hole through the basement wall with a chisel and a 3 lb hammer; assembling everything; planning the connection to the sump pump itself which was completely undisturbed; all were immensely satisfying.

This was a lot bigger job than what the waterproofing company had to do. They only had to take the water about 12' away from the pump outside. I had to buy 5 10' sections of 1 1/2 inch PVC.

I wound up with three scrap pieces totaling less than 2 feet. That's it. Talk about close!

I did a far, far better job than the crap job that was done by the basement waterproofing company when they put in the original drain back in '98. Their glued joints leaked because they were in a hurry, and there is a sag in one 8' run of pipe where the water always collects.

My job is straight, professional looking, every joint was primed and glued perfectly. The water just jets out much faster now because I planned the run of pipe with many fewer 90 degree bends uphill so there should be much less resistance to the pump's pressure.

I know this kind of work would get really old if I did it 5 days a week 40+ weeks a year. But it was a lot of fun. A big change in thinking and skills required and mental gears. I can see doing something like this and staying normal.
What I find interesting is that there is a complete disconnect between what the media says the programming field is versus what its really like. They are selling the streets are paved with gold but after people go to school they discover its not. I know tons of young people who went to school and than bailed out of it after spending a long time unemployed.

Exactly. That's what I meant. There's a common assumption that programming creates career momentum and is well respected. Nothing is farther from the truth.

Saying you're a programmer in most business environments is about as powerful as saying that you know how to handle a hacksaw or a wrench.

Actually its worse because in most business environments they regard IT people as unnecessary evil to be downsized at the first opportunity. Nobody in business likes IT people and that includes the IT companies.

Take a look whom the executives are in most of these companies - they NEVER come from IT even in technology companies. The vast majority come from marketing, finance and legal.

You are better off handling that hacksaw or wrench. At the very least you know how to get rid of stuff ;) .
I think in urban areas the electricians work for someone else like big electrical houses but here in suburbia I would say the vast majority of them are independent as most they have 1-2 trucks with their name on the side along with their license number.

In the urban areas they for sure are in the union and make good money. I know a guy who is a longshoreman's electrician - he makes almost 180K per year just taking care of the machinery.

As for the independent ones here, they are making great $$ with little to no marketing. They are in Angie's List, Home Advisor, Yelp or just plain word of mouth/friends. Not sure what the fees are for stuff like Angies List.

From what I can see with these guys they are jumping all the time from job to job. Its pretty much nonstop. My friend had a tough time even getting one to come to his house, they are that busy. From what I hear the commercial electricians make more than the residential electricians.

But in either case they are doing well. Just from casual observations at my gym - all these guys are in the gym by 4-4:30 and they have been out of work for an hour already. Many have 2 houses and a boat. They are doing great.

Credentials in IT is a giant farce and is driven by the vendors. It has no real value and they love sticking you for a new test fee when the new version of whatever it is comes out.

Now with electricians and plumbers its driven by an industry association who sets the standards and they are not beholden to the vendors. Than on top of it the state legislates the licensing. Here in the PRNJ the plumbers/electricians have a seal like a notary public and all permits have to be signed and stamped by the contractor. You want to talk barrier to entry? The town wont give you the permits unless they are signed and sealed.

Something else I have noticed - these blue collar guys are very, very down to earth. The aspie thing that we encounter in IT doesnt really exist. These are more meat and potato kind of guys, more rough around the edges but I think they enjoy life more than people in corporate. You can be friends with these guys, much more so than the corporate assholes you encounter in IT.
Discussions - Public / Re: What used to be "Realrates BBS" on Yuku is now...
« Last post by The Gorn on October 02, 2017, 11:06:25 AM »
Many user icons stayed the same. For instance, TRexx's Rexx teddy bear icon is there. I noticed that the migration trashed most people's signature blocks if they used basic HTML in their sigs. The tags are interspersed with text.

I bet they just did a wholesale migration of all of their boards as part of the buyout. The content attracts members. Who knows, maybe someone will come back and start using the board again after 15 years. :P

I'm really happy I moved this site off of Yuku years ago.
Discussions - Public / Re: The two best articles I've seen on the Equifax Hack
« Last post by benali72 on October 02, 2017, 11:04:30 AM »
Discussions - Public / Re: What used to be "Realrates BBS" on Yuku is now...
« Last post by benali72 on October 02, 2017, 10:53:43 AM »
Kind of odd they would keep it out there since it's obvious the last posts were many years ago.

BTW, I see Goddard's handsome pic associated with his ID. I forgot there was a time before the Gorn's T-Rexx ate you.
Discussions - Public / What used to be "Realrates BBS" on Yuku is now...
« Last post by The Gorn on October 02, 2017, 10:46:20 AM »
A company called TapaTalk apparently bought out Ezboard/Yuku. This is the shell of Janet Ruhl's old Realrates BBS discussion forum.

Really kind of interesting how these things change. I just used the forgot password function and logged in as "Goddard Bolt".
The only difference is that in this field, it seems easier to enter the field than in IT.

Not exactly. IT is the wild west in terms of licensing and credentials. Generally no legal requirements to have certain credentials.

Plumbers and electricians have to be licensed in most areas. It matters when there is an insurance claim that
could be related to the work they do, and also building occupancy certificates. These trades have to go through a multi year apprenticeship plus trades school.
These rates are only valid if you work for yourself.
If you work for someone, you will get peanuts that are similar to IT peanuts or less.
You know how it is.
And you have to do marketing, advertising, etc. My impression is that these rates are not constant or every day type rates.

The only difference is that in this field, it seems easier to enter the field than in IT.

I am going to take a wild guess that most electricians are not self-employed and work for someone. And that their rates cap at 30-35/hour - maybe more in some anomaly like NYC.

They work for a firm that issues them paychecks. But this is further complicated by the fact that the IRS considers them all independent contractors as it does auto mechanics and nurses.
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