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So you have utterly no control over your data. They take it without your consent.

Get a load of The Work Number database from Equifax -- all your salary data to anybody who wants it, and companies feed their employees data into it without their even knowing.... and without asking them.

see -- www.nbcnews.com/technology/exclusive-your-employer-may-share-your-salary-equifax-might-sell-1B8173066
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Well yeah, that is a problem. Right now things are in a state of flux. There are multiple apps, all pretty good. They are all competing. Sooner or later, we shall have a dominant app.

I really like Signal. It encrypts all texts and even voice. If you have a  strong signal, you can make phone calls. All free. Whether it will ever dominate, I have no idea. Other mesg apps have no advantages over it, only serious disadvantages. Given the public and joe sixpack is dumb as a doorknob, that has to be taken into consideration.

of course I hear you loud and clear.

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Discussions - Public / De-Aspergering this discussion
« Last post by The Gorn on September 24, 2017, 07:18:37 PM »
Why wouldn't you use encryption is it's so simple?

Given the revelations about no-such-agency, it's dumb as hell.

So both parties have to use the same service. Well, peachy, it's simple.

But what if you do business or have multiple clients? You're just not going to tell a new business client "please install this app before we can discuss your project by email."

Same with friends. If you could get just one family member onboard with a specific email app AND get them to check it regularly, you'd be far ahead of most people.

And that's another problem. A program that your compatriates only use to communicate with YOU is just one more stupid thing to remember.

Guys, NOBODY wants more clutter, apps, software, and shit in their lives. Like special purpose email programs.

Yes, it's for a higher cause. So what.

Let's de-Asperger this discussion right now with a practical reality:

The VERY BEST any of you or I can possibly do with a real life social and business network is to use our own  conventional email service that isn't partnered with the government or creepy data collection.

And ACCEPT the fact that almost all of your peers you email with will use Google.

I'm starting to find it incredibly moronic and tedious that someone would consider me a professional pariah because I have my email hosted with Google Apps. I mean, FINE, don't email me.... Christ, life's too hard as it is.
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Discussions - Public / Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Last post by unix on September 24, 2017, 05:37:22 PM »
Encryption is behind the scenes, the users don't see any of it.   

I already got some converted to Signal, it's a text messaging system that is encrypted but works just like a simple text messenger.

It only works between users who are both in the system, obviously.  Key exchange and all. Public/private cryptosystems, which is what Signal is.

You can also use systems like Viber, Telegram that also encryption everything. They do a lot more than text messaging, you can make encrypted phone calls. Using it is as simple as installing the app.

It's also free. International phone calls.

Why wouldn't you use encryption is it's so simple?

Given the revelations about no-such-agency, it's dumb as hell.
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Discussions - Public / Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Last post by The Gorn on September 24, 2017, 05:11:44 PM »
Just a reality check - are you guys seriously talking about asking social and business acquaintances to use encryption in all email communication with yourselves? C'mon.
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Discussions - Public / Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Last post by benali72 on September 24, 2017, 02:40:58 PM »
pxsant, thanks for the article on encrypting email. I read something before on this and didnt understand it, the article you recommend makes it much more clear.

Thanks also for the Protonmail recommendation Gorn, I might look into that. Cheers.
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Discussions - Public / Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Last post by unix on September 23, 2017, 11:49:50 AM »
Yeah, was gonna mention that. It is hosted in europe, is encrypted between users and your mailbox is encrypted.

The storage you get is rather small a few gigs.
I like it.

I need to divorce myself completely from both gulag and wahoo. These clowns.
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Discussions - Public / Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Last post by The Gorn on September 23, 2017, 07:27:36 AM »
The other alternative is to host your own email.  No VPS or anything else but email.  There are services available out there to do your own email with a custom URL for as little as $1 per month.

Here is an article on hosting your own email.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

I really don't recommend this, because of deliverability of outgoing email. The problem you'll have today with running your own SMTP server to deliver mail you send is that almost every major email provider (the evil bunch like Gmail and Yahoo included) have very high technical bars to accepting email.

Example: When I set up the "lifeaftertechcareer.com" VPS, I initially had email delivery originate from the server. I set up a valid SPF record for the domain, and I set up reverse DNS for the IP address. Gmail in particular kept tagging emails from that server as SPAM. I am having the same experience with other older domains I own. Yeah, I can set up Postfix and get everything working no problem. The problem is nobody will accept the emails.

I ripped my hair out for a while with this and then found a mail delivery service specifically for website and app developers and owners who need to send email - mailgun.com. Their emails all seem to get through.

I believe some of the secret sauce is in setting up DKIM credentials which to me are almost incomprehensible in complexity.

I think Unix uses something called Protonmail which has high marks for privacy policies.
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Discussions - Public / Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Last post by pxsant on September 23, 2017, 05:15:59 AM »
There are so many email providers you could use it would be difficult to make an informed choice.   Following is an article on a few free email services.  Also, once you choose one, will they still provide email services in a year or two.

https://www.lifewire.com/top-free-email-services-1171481

Here is a second article on encrypting your emails.

https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/?pk_campaign=email_self_defense&pk_kwd=share

The other alternative is to host your own email.  No VPS or anything else but email.  There are services available out there to do your own email with a custom URL for as little as $1 per month.

Here is an article on hosting your own email.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
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Discussions - Public / Re: How do you stop spam phonecalls?
« Last post by benali72 on September 22, 2017, 09:50:44 PM »
A good alternative "landline" is AT&T's Home Phone. It costs roughly $22 per month taxes included and gives you unlimited calling anywhere in the US.

In reality, it's got a base unit that provides wireless phone service for its stationary phone. Clever. So it basically gives you the major benefits of a landline over a cellphone (no need for constant charging, it uses a electric wall plug), while giving the you cheapness of a cell. It also has a backup battery and can survive for a day or two if you lose power. It has caller ID and all the usual features offered by modern landlines. A good replacement for many people for their  $80 or $90 dollar landline that means you're not always recharging it like a cellphone.
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