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Discussions - Public / Amusing or Outstanding Image Memes
« on: February 22, 2018, 05:54:17 PM »
These CCF - approved image memes from unknown, possibly copyrighted sources may be used indiscriminately for social media, shitposting, and harassment of others.

Feel free to add to the thread.


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You know what I'd do if I was a biliionaire?

I'd set up a permanent organization that would develop and maintain a product called ...

Ubuntu is essentially owned by a billionaire so the description almost fits. I read that the company Canonical isn't even profitable today.

Why no pragmatism? I suspect that the arms race attitude about porking up the UIs is aimed at an idea of profitability and feeling that they must compete.

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^ Almost the same as Fire TV devices. I think that's just the style/convention today. A remote is a stick with directional arrows, select key and a back key.

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Thanks. I'll try that Unity, whatever that is.

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^ Obligatory "kek" of agreement.

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So Dvorak and Linus Torvalds both believe that the direction of the UI in Linux is wrongheaded, but... things just get worse and worse. Not even big names with a beef pull any influence.

I admire the work ethic of geeks but they never, ever have common sense or a sense of things being in proportion. Moar code and more features always better.

Geeks have to have revenue and business needs to whack them down into compliance with what users really need.

I like programming as a task but programmers are by and large stupid asses with no common sense.

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^ Spot on, ilconsigliere.

Do this:

Open a shell and enter this command:

wmctrl -m

Post here what it reports.  That'll give the window manager in use.

My system reports in the first two lines (I don't care about your PID):

Quote
Name: Xfwm4
Class: xfwm4

Linux is an ideal platform for Russian-funded patriotic shitposting.

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I started to enumerate all of the mostly little but consistent irritations that Linux foists on me. And these posts cover most of the misbehaviors I've found.

Hey, I said some good things, too. :P

To bottom line my misanthropic rant above:

The writers of FOSS and also "really serious" IT people who support this stuff commercially for a living seem to have big blind spots about the day to day usability.

I'll give you a concrete example which I suspect won't make any sense to you, or perhaps it will:

I am typing a sentence. The cursor is at the end of the line. I want to select the line and cut it and paste it somewhere else.

My fingers are trained to: hold down the CONTROL key and press the KEYPAD HOME key simultaneously. The CTRL key puts the cursor movement into "select" mode. The HOME key moves the "selecting" cursor to the start of the line. The same as holding down the mouse and sweeping across the sentence.

I've been doing this for 20+ years. It is a shortcut, MUCH faster than any alternative key or mouse sequence for that action, and I do that and similar edits a lot.

By default when I do this "key chord" in Mint, it types a digit 7 even when numlock is off. IT SCREWS ME THE F&(& UP.

A naive techie would say "oh golly gee why does that matter? Do it a different way. I don't care about writing. Hah hah."

It's the typing equivalent to me of saying "ok, now you will try to run wearing slippers, across a pool of Crisco oil on a basketball court."

Tourette's until I figured out how to force Linux to do this the right way.  It honestly took me 3 hours to find how to make that work in Linux.

The writers of FOSS don't seem to take heavy commercial users seriously at the UI end. Features aren't stable, they aren't customized consistently in one place, and Linux only makes a deceptively superficial attempt to work like Windows.

It's small scale sloppiness, the micro version of why (for example) there will never be serious and usable financial software produced by FOSS heads.

"After all, you could have a front panel flipping switches" the geeks who have the power to make this right would say.

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Discussions - Public / Chromium, again - duped bookmark menus!
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:31:32 AM »
Just now I found that Chromium decided to create duplicates of every single one of my bookmarks. I have bookmark folders along the menu labeled things like "My Stuff", "Links", "Search". Each one had an additional copy. So two "My Stuff" menus, etc.

At least they are side by side with the originals (no idea which one is "original") to make deleting a bit easier.

I assume it's a Linux thing.

The fun never ends with this amateurish shitware.

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Discussions - Public / The !@^(!@ damned KEYRING
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:57:04 AM »
Every time I launch Chromium in Linux (it's much faster than Firefox in Linux) I get a modal nag box that takes over THE ENTIRE DESKTOP from a keyring manager which wants my login password.

I've gone to the "Passwords and Keys" applet innumerable times and reset the password to none (my PC is on the home internet connection behind a firewall so it's ok.)

That's supposed to solve this problem by removing the password from the keyring.

Then the setting does not take. At some future date it prompts me for the keyring password again.

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If I have used the same session of Windows in a Virtualbox VM a few times - meaning once I started it, I close the session for now by saving rather than shutting down Windows in the guest -

Certain integration settings are lost, even though they appear in the settings dialog for that VM,

Bi-directional copy and paste is lost. I RELY ON THAT. I may have a browser session in Linux (which I treat as a primary desktop) and I copy (say) a confirmation code from a banking website. I want to then paste that into Quickbooks inside the VM. NOPE. What gets pasted in the Windows VM is the trash in the local VM's clipboard. NOT the clipboard from the Linux desktop.

I wind up creating a temp file in the shared files in Linux, saving the text, and reading it in the VM and copying and pasting that using Notepad.

To get bidirectional clipboards working again I have to shut down the Windows VM (time consuming) and reboot the guest.

Not a serious functional limitation but clearly the result of poor testing and bugs.

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Discussions - Public / The areas where Linux shines compared to Windows
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:39:51 AM »
The back end. Linux is shit at the front end UI. It shines in geeky operations that also affect my goodwill toward fellow tech professionals. :P

* File operations.

Copying a few hundred megabytes is *almost* instantaneous on Linux compared to Windows.

A "tar" of a few hundred megabytes without compression is also incredibly fast. (Compression slows it down greatly.)

* Certain online operations

I use Private Internet Access (PIA), the VPN company with their own client. The native Linux client starts quite a bit more slowly than the native Windows client. HOWEVER, connection once the client is running is MUCH faster in Linux - it can take 10 seconds in Windows, and it is like a couple of seconds in Linux to connect.

Bittorrent downloads - MUCH faster with the "Transmission" client in Linux than with the official Bittorrent client in Windows. The download speeds I achieve in Linux with that client are much better - up to 5 mbps. I can download a 500 mb media file in under 5 minutes when there are plenty of seeders.

The network "layer" in Linux is much faster in activating and deactivating the network interface and in making connection locally, than in Windows.

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Discussions - Public / Linux as a desktop, garbage
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:33:21 AM »
Gorn, I wonder if trying the MATE desktop might be useful. Maybe just create a bootable USB memory stick with Mint / MATE and try it for a while and see if it addresses the problems you've experienced with XFCE?

Or, alternatively, install MINT / MATE as a guest in your virtual machine?

The goal would be to get a feel for whether it might prove better for you than XFCE, without having to change your existing system unless MATE really proves better for you.

Anyway, just an idea... one you might well have already thought of.

After all of these issues I've had that contradict what the experts here have stated, anyone says to me about comparative merits of X vs Y on Linux means anything or has any credibility, so I am loathe to waste my time even more.

I run Xfce because I was told by you guys it was the fastest UI. Things can still be slow in launching.  I'm not going to regress from that.

As far as the VM - UHHH no! I want something simple and reliable, not another !@^&( virtual machine I have to boot in order to do certain work.

I already have that (and accept that) with Windows ware.

To lock your XFCE desktop to prevent XFCE from making changes to it --
...
Maybe this can help the stability of your XFCE desktop.

REALLY?

That will be my "work flow" , non flow, Linux interrupting me with error messages.

So if I do ANYTHING at the UI level that would affect these settings, it WILL then error out or crash programs. I'll drag an icon on the desktop and get a big ugly error box when I release.

God damn does that sound lame.   Much more so than the occasional unnecessary but FOSS programmer initiated crash I get now.

Completely unacceptable.   What you are stating is an absolute admission of defeat, that the UI *IS* buggy so I have to patch around it with a lame hack.

The UI should just be stable, period, and not mother-f***ing change things on me or corrupt shit because it's crap software (which it may be.)

I shouldn't have to put the UI in read only mode to get work done.

I still don't think you or Pxsant sit in a Linux desktop session 8+ hours a day and do writing or programming continuously, or that either of you pay very close attention to how the flow of work on the keyboard goes.

Because if  you did you would understand that things launch slowly, that the UI gets messed up randomly, that certain subtle settings that assist your workflow get lost in Linux.

Linux inferior to Windows at the UI, an absolute truism.

PS: NOTHING PERSONAL in the above. You guys take a certain position in these discussions that I completely disagree with based upon direct experience. 

There's sort of a crudeness, for want of a more politic work, with the opinions of some very technical and otherwise extremely knowledgeable IT people when they are confronted with issues in the "softer" areas like UI. IT people who don't live inside content creation tasks tend to fluff off truly irritating issues as though they should be considered insignificant.

Kind of the same idea as a programmer that tells you that assembly language is totally good enough and you need nothing better, because at least you don't have to flip front panel switches to store a boot loader. :P

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Discussions - Public / Re: Bitcoin Going to 0?
« on: February 11, 2018, 08:13:03 AM »
In my opinion, the only way a cybercurrency can attain the stability to be used and "trusted" universally as cash like would be central control by a government. Just like paper money.

So in the crypto currency world, I'm totally guessing that this could be achieved with a mining process that used a hash or salt as the basis for all valid crypto currency in use. The hash/salt would be a state secret because in order for new minted currency to be valid the crypto currency would have to be based on that hash.

I don't know anything about the mining algorithms but almost all decent cryptographic algorithms have the concept of a hash or a salt which is a random numeric sequence used to initiate the encryption. I would assume the Bitcoin algorithm or other could be adapted to use a hash or salt as a validity check.

I believe that in the "right" context government will flock to trackable crypto currency as a replacement for paper.

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Discussions - Public / Re: So they upgraded from Windows 7 to 10...
« on: February 06, 2018, 01:34:56 PM »
It is XFCE. Things occasionally change somewhat randomly when I log in for some sessions. One recent example is that when I rebooted I lost the "Whisker" menu. I found it in the toolbar preferences, but then the layout of the menu was completely different from what I really preferred, and I lost every single Favorited program. I finally got back the G*ddamned menu I wanted by locating the whisker menu settings files under ~/.config, on a recent backup, and copying over the main desktop's files from  the backup. No thanks whatsoever in any way to the wizards who write the spotty and poorly structured documentation for this garbage.

But the main ongoing issue I now have with Linux is that it's just not crisp in use. Almost anything I do, regardless of being in an application or being in the desktop, seems to have a slight lag between clicking or double clicking and the response/action. 

I have 12 GB, and I'm using the official Nvidia driver for my graphics card rather than the generic video support. Also the memory use is quite low and I'm never even close to going into swap.

Windows has a far, far superior desktop feel to Linux. This is pretty close but no cigar. And I have to fight very hard for the knowledge to set up trivial creature comforts such as the Windows key mapping of the keypad (which treats the numeric keypad differently depending on shift status.) I never know what any of this shit is called and there are dozens of "config programs".

Linux is a poorly thought out amateurish mess. That's exactly what it is - amateurish and not professional - hackers dicked with it until it kind of works. 

But at least unlike WIndows its design intent is not to screw the consumer or user out of the use of their data.I can live with that for now.

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