Adobe trying to get rid of all American developers?

[Peter Gibbons]

Very interesting thread:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/layoffs-reported-at-adobe/

 

   

      RobG - November 10th, 2009 at       12:35 pm PST    

     

     

I enjoyed working at Adobe a great deal and had hoped to become a perm employee. But they did       tell me the main reason I got cut was because I was the last US developer on the team; after our lead moved into his new role, everybody else (including       QA) was in India.

       

I have to admit I have a bit of a concern of any large US company whose CEO is from India. It       really makes me wonder when all of the jobs, especially jobs that would have paid well over here, are being moved over there.

   

 

   

   
   

     
     

       

         

            Bobo - November 10th, 2009             at 12:22 pm PST          

           

           

             

You can thank imported guest workers who are busy taking over Adobe and throwing every American worker they can find out. Clueless Indian               managers like Anil Bhavnani who runs up and down the halls writing down the names of every American he can find on a yellow pad so he knows who               to get rid of. Brilliant imported Indian managers like Bhavnani who have to ask Americans where he can get the MSDN CD from. Not only that but               Bhavnani didn't even know how to play the Indian IT griftology racket - after being laid off, he asked me to come back "to work for one               week only" to train my slumdog replacement. I laughed in his face and sent him and Digby Horner an email telling them to learn their racket               better if they were going to play that game. The company is in chaos internally and they have no idea what they are doing.

               

Or how about "feature-of-the-day" Viet Namese Acrobat project manager Lily Tran whose staff is 100% Viet Namese? No racism or               Xenophobia going on               there, right professor? She isn't qualified to run a noodle shop, let alone a software               project. When I worked at Adobe and asked her for a GANTT chart, she didn't even know what one was. No wonder Adobe has to lay people off. Their               software is junk, they've thrown out all the Americans out who created the company, and the place is filling up with 3rd world losers. In a               few more years expect Adobe to end up like Sun bleeding red ink. Thanks imported guest               workers. You sure are brilliant. You sure are keeping America competitive.

               

Someone needs to find out how many in this layoff are Americans and how many are non-Americans. In the 2005 layoff it was 100% Americans laid               off. Not one single foreign imported worker was laid off.

               

This is foreign takeover folks. That's the reason for this layoff as with others in the past.

               

               

                tiredworker - November 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm PST              

               

               

I work at adobe. I am not impacted by the layoff but the work culture at Adobe is very very bad.

                 

It's a sweatshop to the max. Someone who mentioned guest workers program is telling the truth. 95% of people in my department are from                 the same country (you can guess), are on temporary visas, running the same dirty politics as if this is back in their home country.

                 

I find it hard to believe how the company that thrives in innovation & creativity comes down to this level. It's nothing but                 sweatshop now, it's quite sad to see one of the most respected company in san jose to go down to this level.

                 

                 
                  blindapple - November 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm PST                

                 

                 

It has been amazing reading through this thread. I, too, experienced a weird disconnect between Friedman's book and my own experience.                   I've only known a handful of Indian programmers, but they were, each and every one, a total disaster for the small start-up we were                   working at. Granted, these were young developers, fresh out of school; but their work ethic (and apparently their code) was really bad.                  
                  It's a shame…I feel bad mentioning this as I have a number of Indian friends who work in the tech world (not as programmers,                   however!)

               

             

               

               

                Bobo - November 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pm PST              

               

I hope you are not being sarcastic. In fact, the American Programmers' Association has already written a huge book on this fraud. You can               download it for free here:

               

http://www.medi...om/?timta2zy0xt

               

http://www.medi...om/?znudrhgxr20

               

http://www.medi...om/?mzlhykzyx4m

               

Chapter 1 is a bit iffy but chapters 2 & 3 are dynamite. I was amazed. I found it a really amazing book. Spread the word around and give               the PDFs to every American you know.

               

             

               

             

           

             

             
             
           

         

       

[Rastus P Shagnasty]

and give the PDFs to every American you know

[benali72]

Thanks for the book download links.

I read most of it and especially like chapter 3, where the author goes through one example company after another and how he/she feels they've been affected.

I searched for American Programmers Association on the web and found none.  I suspect this is a pen name for the author.  I also suspect the author is probably a single individual.  It's unfortunate that he/she did not get some reviewer feedback and a good editor, as this is some really good work ... but it could have benefited a lot from some outside feedback prior to publication.

I learned some interesting things from it.

[Peter Gibbons]

You are welcome.

I quickly skimmed through chapter 3 myself.

The Adobe thread comments were interesting since they were from people that worked ( or are currently ) working in the company.
Most of them liked the company and are sad that culture had changed so dramatically for the worst.

I don't have any problem working people from other races and nationalities.

What I do have problem with is having an interview where all members of the development team are from the same foreign nationality.
It doesn't matter if they are Chinese, Indian or Russian.

I personally would not work in a company where everybody was from the country where I was born.