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ArnoldW2

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Bank "Holiday" and Dollar Devaluation Coming??
« on: August 21, 2009, 01:26:36 am »
I just got this very interesting E-mail from my dad.

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The problems of the U.S. dollar are becoming ever more intense. See the attached link:

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/willie/2009/0820.html

This article shows that the Fed is buying more and more of the debt that the Treasury is issuing. In the past, most of our debt was purchased by foreign countries, especially China. China, because it was the debt that they purchased from us that permitted us to buy all the stuff we were getting from them. China among many other of our creditors are becoming more and more concerned about the flood of money the Fed is pouring into the economy and the danger that it must soon lead to inflation. This article explains that foreign governments are buying less and less debt of all kinds from the U.S. This means that we are borrowing most of the money congress is spending from ourselves and that other nations are becoming more and more unwilling to lend us money.

I did read somewhere today that China may be spending more of its reserve of dollars in the U.S. buying up mortgages, presumably to take control of the properties involved at foreclosure in order to attempt to stem some of the loss they will incur as the dollar is devalued against foreign currencies in the international market. The U.S. dollar was pegged at 72 dollars against unit of a basket of currencies two years ago ($DXY), but rallied in 2008, and early 2009 to 89 when the crash cased many speculators and investors to move into what they believed was safety in the dollar. But the bloom seems to be off the rose and the dollar is falling back down to earlier levels. This will change our imports picture by making imports (especially oil) more expensive thus increasing our cost of living. This will not be true inflation, but will still lead to higher prices for nearly everything we buy since fossil fuel is involved in nearly every corner of the economy.

In some financial sectors there is a net inflow of dollars, indicating that debt is being sold back inside the U.S. from overseas. The amount of Federal debt being purchased is declining rapidly as Treasury auctions are not being fully subscribed. There is a bait-n-switch being pulled by the Fed to hide this. They are getting financial institutions to purchase Treasurys at the auction, but then are turning around within a few days and purchasing these instruments from the institutions and placing them on the Fed balance sheet. This gives the appearance of a successful auction but the auctions are getting to be pretty much shams. This ploy is keeping coupon (interest) rates on the treasuries down for the moment, but a time will soon come when the interest rate has to go up to entice buyers. That is when the economy will tank again and the dollar will fall much further, perhaps down into the 60s.

Within 2-3 years, the mortgages that are gonna fail will have failed, the small businesses that are going to go bankrupt will be, and all the crap derivatives hanging out at the banks will be liquidated and the decline of the recession will level out. Because those actions will cause deflation and offset much of the money being pumped into the economy, inflation will still be fairly mild except for energy where we are trapped into getting most of that overseas. For now, energy is the main reason prices will rise. Once that period of time passes, the huge overhang of cash that has been generated will cause the country to switch from deflation to inflation. How bad it will be is a guess since we have the example of Japan where they have tried inflating but just can't get it to work and have had economic stagnation for 20 years. The difference between them and us is that their population has savings and the country had a trade surplus. In the U.S. we have neither. I am leaning to inflation big time myself.

More and more I am seeing speculation that something is in the wind with the dollar and that the action to be taken is getting closer and closer. Knowing the government, the only thing that makes sense is that the government will somehow devalue the dollar independently making the dollars in our bank accounts worth less by reducing their purchasing power. I cannot yet see what this mechanism might be, but there is a feeling of crisis in the air. There is a lot of talk around about a bank holiday associated with this which is why I recommended that people have enough cash on hand for 2-3 weeks if credit and debit card facilities are closed along with the banks. You need to talk to someone whom you trust about moving some of your money into an investment that will not crash if the dollar does. I am worried.

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Bank "Holiday" and Dollar Devaluation Coming??
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 06:28:26 am »

Hi, ArnoldW2.

 

Sorry your dad is distressed.  I really can't blame him.  Part of me is glad, though, that fewer foreign dollars are propping up our debt.  I'm personally waiting for the rug-pulling that will come if the Chinese, et al decide they want to be repaid or start a war over anything.

 

In general, it is always a good idea to have at least a few weeks of cash and household essentials (food, medicine, daily consummables) on hand in case of emergency.  We do that here every hurricane season.  Our LDS relations bank a years worth.  My sister suggested a six-weeks stash of necessities because of H1N1 concerns.  Having a plan in case of extended shortages in power, fuel, bank access, etc. should be part of everyone's life.  Not being paranoid, just practical.

The recession may be "over," but tough times are still ahead, I think.

Be well,
-DG


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Do you blame them?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 10:32:15 am »

Before getting too bent out of shape because of the drop in foreign purchase of US Corp bonds and mortgage bonds, do you blame people for not buying stuff that caused the recent financial breakdown? Remember what caused the problem: mortgage bonds that were not worth the paper they were printed on and corporate paper backed by mortgages. People all over the world were sold those as AAA rated bonds and they weren't worth that. It is no wonder that people are not buying them again.

 

Sure, inflation is coming. But I expect it to be a longer curve than what people are in a panic about.


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Warren Buffet and Bill Gross are talking more and more about inflation:
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 08:15:47 pm »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/opinion/19buffett.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&sq=buffett&st=nyt&scp=2

http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2008/IO+June+2008.htm
http://seekingalpha.com/article/79843-bill-gross-prepare-for-coming-inflation

So no doubt the inflation will become higher and higher. I don't trust any government statistics - I can see things by myself.

However I don't think anything dramatic will happen overnight - the prices will keep rising and rising for years.

What can the government really do?


1. Issue a "New Dollar" that will cost 100 "Old Dollars"?

2. Impose wage controls?

3. Impose price controls?

4. Confiscate people's savings and give them treasury bonds that mature in 30 years?

5. ??

Why create a commotion? Just keep running the printing presses ... and tell people not to worry.

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 08:52:37 am »

It really helps to look back in time. We have had a remarkable amount of inflation during the 1900's. From 1900 to 1999, the value of a dollar fell so much that when I was doing some estate calculations back in 1970, we would see estates where people had purchased the land at $100/acre that was then valued at $3,500/acre. This is money (dot) co.uk shows that 100 pounds in 1900 would be worth 9448 pounds today. So, a rule of thumb is that a penny back then would be worth a dollar today.

 

When looking at a chart of inflation, it is clear that savings are not going to be trustworthy. The only thing that really counts is to have a source of income that can increase with inflation. That means that retirement is not a possibility. In other words, the financial system is self correcting in a (perverse) way. As the politicians vote more and more benefits to the retired people, the inflation caused by those benefits eat away at their income and savings. The result will be a divided elderly: those that have sources of income that can keep up with inflation, and those who are impoverished by the government actions. Unfortunately, the elderly as a group, will have a hard time giving up their belief that government will solve their problem.


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savings are not going to be trustworthy
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 09:14:32 am »
Yes, a real pisser!  With rates being HELD down, those with savings get punished.  The last time mortgage rates were high so were CD and MM rates.  You know, I don't mind the challenge, but having the government constantly shifting rules/strategies does get old some days...

And now, not kidding:

Latest in Stimulus: 'Cash for Refrigerators'

Next I would like to see:

'Cash for Coders' - trade in old programmers





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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2009, 05:13:46 pm »
" if the Chinese, et al decide they want to be repaid or start a war over anything."

The Chinese don't have to start a war.  All they need to do is turn off the tap of their money.

Here's a little instructional story:

The year is 1945.  Folks are consulting a psychic to predict what things will be like in the 1980's, the 1990's. and the 2000's.

Said psychic predicted that in the 1980's, the best-selling cars and electronics would be Japanese, some of the best military technology outside the US would have a Star of David flag on it, and people would sit around evenings staring at a box in the corner.

In the 1990's, people would still sit around evenings in front of a box, but now they would keep tapping at a board in front of it and shoving around a rodent.  American companies would ship all their artificial brains to India, because the subcontinent was supposedly more efficient at handling these brains that Americans.

In the 2000's, the US economy would be supported by many times more Chinese 'dollars' than was ever dispensed in the Marshall Aid plan.

Thus spoke the psychic back in 1945.  The 1945 authorities locked him up as a madman, of course.


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