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Iamred1

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« on: February 09, 2004, 01:38:26 pm »
Anyone using this yet? hows come americans don't think up this type of thing? is this innovation part of the reason India gets so much software buisness, ?

i'll download it if murrican will, then we can chat!!! for free!!!

whoops, forgot to say the system was developed by the same guys that did Kazaa, Janus Friis, and Niklas Zennstrom.

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2004, 02:07:50 pm »
>> hows come americans don't think up this type of thing?

Are you retarded? (sorry, any parents of special needs kids.)

*Yawn* internet phone. Low quality. Sucks ass. I have Vonage. $15/month for *SUCKASS* quality and dropped calls all the time. Two tin cans and a piece of string would be a better bet.
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ahh, contrairee
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2004, 02:18:57 pm »
it is touted, from many testimoniols, of being superior in sound vs. a phone and cheap. Vonage, the biggest independent voip service has a 400$ setup charge, (1 account). Skype costs, .1/1 cent.

though, the comment, old boy, was predictable. :-)

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Re: ahh, contrairee
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2004, 02:29:16 pm »
Predictable - likewise I'm sure. :lol  

And, you get your information from random testimonials? Sounds reliable. :rolleyes
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Re: ahh, contrairee
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2004, 03:21:33 pm »

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Skype is not bad
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2004, 03:24:12 pm »
I have used and tested it along with FWD and those free guys are not bad at all even for the internet. I am also doing exetnsive sip testing with xten and sjlabs clients.

I don't know Goddard. I have a buddy that has been using vonage for a year and he loves it.

Most of my sip testing is wireless based and my initial results are pretty good. I have my lab setup now where I will be in my wireless cell a half mile away and make a call to an answering machine in my lab attached to the fxs port on my router and the quality is not bad even when roaming around the cell. I also have an fxo port on the router that connects to my pots line so from my wireless cell I can make and receive calls from anyone on pots.  SIP is getting big. Fun times indeed.

What is interesting is the FCC is currently, today acutallly, debating charging telco fees to services like skype, fwd and vonage for such services free or otherwise are starting to eat into the telco's profits. The telco's see the writing on the wall. ISP may block sip ports too sometimes if they have their own voip service.

If I have time when my research is complete I will try to post the results, diagrams etc. on my site for your enjoyment...

Fun times indeed.

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Re: Skype is not bad
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2004, 08:49:31 pm »
My Vonage phone has been working pretty darn well for the 3 weeks I've had it so far.

I would guess that the key factor for voice quality is the steadiness/flow rate of your broadband connection.

I have a cable connection, not DSL...if that matters.


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I'm finding Vonage is very unreliable
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2004, 06:47:28 pm »
I have a Road Runner connection in my office which has actually been very decent the last few days. I have had incoming Vonage calls disconnect, and outgoing calls just go to a silent/dead line. Today it just died on an incoming call even all the while a streaming music program played seamlessly with no glitches. I call through the Vonage phone circuit to pick up voicemail and the playback is constantly warbling and cutting in and out. It's like using a cell phone in a tunnel.

Yeah, GREAT CLARITY when it works. I'm chucking it. It's unreliable where I am at. Crap.
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Re: I'm finding Vonage is very unreliable
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2004, 10:47:37 am »
:rollin :rollin probably doesn't know how to properly use the system. you sure you didn't hang your outside phone line nex:rollin t to the 220 line?:rollin

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Americans have thought of that
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2004, 03:28:16 am »
Actually Americans have already thought of this and are working on very similar things. The thing is when you are living in this country and in reach of the American legal system you have to be very low key and secretive.

The reason that India gets so much software business has nothing to do with innovation. In fact the more I look at what is going on in India what I find surprising is that with all the activity there is very little in new groundbreaking ideas.

Does anyone know of some new innovative type of program, some new computer language, or something similar that has been created in India. I am still looking.

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Re: *Yawn* internet phone.- better Take a Closer look
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2004, 04:21:13 am »
They are writing some very good innovative revolutionary software that vastly improves the quality of the sound transmission.

What I find interesting is that they spend an inordinate time "reinventing the wheel" this happens too often these days probably because older programmers are not consulted. CICS transactions were being done in the 70's yet very little of this knowledge base was incorporated in Windows transaction systems and others that seem to have been created from "scratch". And if the skype programmers would have consulted some programmers who developed software for telephone switches like the 5ESS and learned from their experience it would have vastly simplified and improved what they were doing.

By the way anyone who has the slightest interest in this topic should have a copy of this flowchart

fp1.centurytel.net/Adoron...chart.html

And what I find even more interesting is the concept of creating a free service by using everyone's home PC in a network to duplicate the functions of the dedicated Telephone Company phone equipment switches.

When you think about it this opens the door to some other incredible possibilities when you develop a grid supercomputer by using personal home computers and the broad band links of these millions of personal computers.

I tracked the downloads of their program over one week and it was 250,000 about 1 every 2 seconds.

Just think of how easy it becomes to start neutralizing the power of the current massive corporations. They will never know what hit them or how to respond when groups of individuals link up with other groups that link up with other groups to create trading networks, stock exchanges, manufacturing networks and many other businesses communicating with each other and using the information processing power of their homemade networks. The telephone companies are the first to bear the brunt of this and have no way to respond.









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Re: *Yawn* internet phone.- better Take a Closer look
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2004, 10:55:41 am »
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The telephone companies are the first to bear the brunt of this and have no way to respond.


Actually, they are responding.  There's a whole series of ad on TV these days,  from the telephone companies,  to the effect that "we want to bring you the future, faster".    They are blaming their inability to compete on antiquated laws.  

I'm not well enough informed to say whether or not I agree with them.  I will point out the the local companies were the last part of the telecom business to hang on to their legal monopoly status.  

For years,  the cable companies only carried information in one direction.  That changed, and cable modems immediately began to be introduced.  Maybe someone that knows more than I do about that aspect of the engineering can fill in the details.

Where did the legal monopoly status of telephone companies come from.  Well, Alexander Graham Bell, and others,  persuaded Congress that letting competing carriers set up switching centers,  and string parallel wires to the same homes,  would be "wasteful duplication",  and that the competitive enterprise model for telephone service would not work.  Instead, they went with the "public utility"  model,  like the electric power people did.  


Eventually,  the electric power people got to a point where competing providers can share the same grid,  just the way competing truckers share the same roads.  

As far as I'm concerned,  the best thing that ever happened to me as a consumer is that two alternative carriers have both strung wires to my home.  They each started to get better by leaps and bounds.  



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The phone companies are respoding
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2004, 12:15:30 pm »
Look at verizons free inside service. You can call another verizon customer for free. The telcos are also embracing voip big time and wifi based voice also. Cisco, tmobile and motorola have something going also with intel. The telcos know that their lunch will get eaten by someone else, hopefully me, by all this so they are starting to jump in.


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