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On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:33:18 PM »
I am looking for a new email provider as I want to divorce myself from the Goolag. They know way to much about everyone and everything. I also don't like their politics and censorships. Thanks but its time to kick them to the curb. Its out of control. Cannot be any of the following:

Yahoo
MSN
Hotmail
AOL
Apple

I have seen lots of suggestions on the web but would like to hear first hand experiences from others.

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 09:45:25 PM »
I think all the free providers (Goolag, Yahpheu, Hotmess, etc) have in their contracts that they have full rights to your emails. So they scan them, analyze them, and store them as they like.

Many of the paid providers at least say they do less of these behaviors. I think I'd look into them as an alternative. Just a my two cents. Cheers.

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2017, 05:15:59 AM »
There are so many email providers you could use it would be difficult to make an informed choice.   Following is an article on a few free email services.  Also, once you choose one, will they still provide email services in a year or two.

https://www.lifewire.com/top-free-email-services-1171481

Here is a second article on encrypting your emails.

https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/?pk_campaign=email_self_defense&pk_kwd=share

The other alternative is to host your own email.  No VPS or anything else but email.  There are services available out there to do your own email with a custom URL for as little as $1 per month.

Here is an article on hosting your own email.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2017, 07:27:36 AM »
The other alternative is to host your own email.  No VPS or anything else but email.  There are services available out there to do your own email with a custom URL for as little as $1 per month.

Here is an article on hosting your own email.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/

I really don't recommend this, because of deliverability of outgoing email. The problem you'll have today with running your own SMTP server to deliver mail you send is that almost every major email provider (the evil bunch like Gmail and Yahoo included) have very high technical bars to accepting email.

Example: When I set up the "lifeaftertechcareer.com" VPS, I initially had email delivery originate from the server. I set up a valid SPF record for the domain, and I set up reverse DNS for the IP address. Gmail in particular kept tagging emails from that server as SPAM. I am having the same experience with other older domains I own. Yeah, I can set up Postfix and get everything working no problem. The problem is nobody will accept the emails.

I ripped my hair out for a while with this and then found a mail delivery service specifically for website and app developers and owners who need to send email - mailgun.com. Their emails all seem to get through.

I believe some of the secret sauce is in setting up DKIM credentials which to me are almost incomprehensible in complexity.

I think Unix uses something called Protonmail which has high marks for privacy policies.
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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 11:49:50 AM »
Yeah, was gonna mention that. It is hosted in europe, is encrypted between users and your mailbox is encrypted.

The storage you get is rather small a few gigs.
I like it.

I need to divorce myself completely from both gulag and wahoo. These clowns.
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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2017, 02:40:58 PM »
pxsant, thanks for the article on encrypting email. I read something before on this and didnt understand it, the article you recommend makes it much more clear.

Thanks also for the Protonmail recommendation Gorn, I might look into that. Cheers.

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2017, 05:11:44 PM »
Just a reality check - are you guys seriously talking about asking social and business acquaintances to use encryption in all email communication with yourselves? C'mon.
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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2017, 05:37:22 PM »
Encryption is behind the scenes, the users don't see any of it.   

I already got some converted to Signal, it's a text messaging system that is encrypted but works just like a simple text messenger.

It only works between users who are both in the system, obviously.  Key exchange and all. Public/private cryptosystems, which is what Signal is.

You can also use systems like Viber, Telegram that also encryption everything. They do a lot more than text messaging, you can make encrypted phone calls. Using it is as simple as installing the app.

It's also free. International phone calls.

Why wouldn't you use encryption is it's so simple?

Given the revelations about no-such-agency, it's dumb as hell.
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De-Aspergering this discussion
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2017, 07:18:37 PM »
Why wouldn't you use encryption is it's so simple?

Given the revelations about no-such-agency, it's dumb as hell.

So both parties have to use the same service. Well, peachy, it's simple.

But what if you do business or have multiple clients? You're just not going to tell a new business client "please install this app before we can discuss your project by email."

Same with friends. If you could get just one family member onboard with a specific email app AND get them to check it regularly, you'd be far ahead of most people.

And that's another problem. A program that your compatriates only use to communicate with YOU is just one more stupid thing to remember.

Guys, NOBODY wants more clutter, apps, software, and shit in their lives. Like special purpose email programs.

Yes, it's for a higher cause. So what.

Let's de-Asperger this discussion right now with a practical reality:

The VERY BEST any of you or I can possibly do with a real life social and business network is to use our own  conventional email service that isn't partnered with the government or creepy data collection.

And ACCEPT the fact that almost all of your peers you email with will use Google.

I'm starting to find it incredibly moronic and tedious that someone would consider me a professional pariah because I have my email hosted with Google Apps. I mean, FINE, don't email me.... Christ, life's too hard as it is.
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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 01:54:49 AM »
Well yeah, that is a problem. Right now things are in a state of flux. There are multiple apps, all pretty good. They are all competing. Sooner or later, we shall have a dominant app.

I really like Signal. It encrypts all texts and even voice. If you have a  strong signal, you can make phone calls. All free. Whether it will ever dominate, I have no idea. Other mesg apps have no advantages over it, only serious disadvantages. Given the public and joe sixpack is dumb as a doorknob, that has to be taken into consideration.

of course I hear you loud and clear.

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 03:11:58 AM »
I am not opposed to paying for email as long as there are no ads and they arent watching my email.

I wont consider hosting my own email, forget it. I used to mess with email back at the big phone company and it can get hairy. Installing the SMTP server is easy, getting all the credentials working as Gorn mentioned can be tough. And frankly I dont have time for that stuff.

Also this encrypted email is interesting but to get true 2 way encryption both parties have to  using the service or install the app. I email a lot of people, there is no way this is happening. Have to turn down the Aspie thing to 0 on this - I just want to use the email not diagnose it and take it apart.

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 07:22:21 AM »
Also this encrypted email is interesting but to get true 2 way encryption both parties have to  using the service or install the app. I email a lot of people, there is no way this is happening. Have to turn down the Aspie thing to 0 on this - I just want to use the email not diagnose it and take it apart.

Thank you for adopting my preferred terminology (aspie) for discussing this.  8)

Since people you may not even realize are on Gmail through Google Apps, you effectively have no privacy on email so forget about it.

The 2 way encryption apps sound like something criminals or people having affairs would use. :P

There will never be a free 2 way encryption email service without significant strings because what is the incentive to run an email service that lets people email wads of binary gook between each other? The provider can't look into that stuff and steal and resell your personal info so there's no reason to transport it. :P
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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2017, 10:01:32 AM »
Also this encrypted email is interesting but to get true 2 way encryption both parties have to  using the service or install the app. I email a lot of people, there is no way this is happening. Have to turn down the Aspie thing to 0 on this - I just want to use the email not diagnose it and take it apart.

Thank you for adopting my preferred terminology (aspie) for discussing this.  8)

Since people you may not even realize are on Gmail through Google Apps, you effectively have no privacy on email so forget about it.

The 2 way encryption apps sound like something criminals or people having affairs would use. :P

There will never be a free 2 way encryption email service without significant strings because what is the incentive to run an email service that lets people email wads of binary gook between each other? The provider can't look into that stuff and steal and resell your personal info so there's no reason to transport it. :P

Aspie term is so dead on. I dont have time for this, it just has to work.

The privacy thing is only part of it - I dont want them reselling my data and I definitely dont want to support a company like this.

I agree about the 2 way encryption and being free. No way, no how. Because how do they make money than?

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2017, 04:44:32 PM »
I think we've lost the battle.  All of our private info is out there already and we're not getting it back in any public space, ever.  You have to keep this in mind in all of your email communications and not use it if you don't want the world to know about whatever you say.

Its sad, but privacy has been dead for a long time.  We're not getting it back.

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Re: On The Hunt For A New Email Provider To Replace Goolag
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2017, 05:17:51 PM »
If you insist on using deep state email solutions, here's one option - an encryption plugin for Gmail.

https://www.streak.com/securegmail

Open source and available on Github.
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