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Hell is other people
« on: December 04, 2011, 02:27:40 pm »
Dino, I didn't want to self-hijack the mission thread, so I'll comment here.   I'd say that Hell is *some* people.   When Hell is *all* people, I think it would be time to pack it up and go home -- wherever that would be.   Maybe life's purpose is to find people that don't make life hell for a person -- i.e. friends.

I ran across another needs list recently, but they all list friends as a requirement.   http://www.liberalarts.wabash.edu/ryff-scales/

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 06:16:44 pm »
IDS, take a tip from me.  It's never a good idea to take me literally.   ;)

Sartre was a cynical misanthrope.  The quote is from one of his plays.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 10:48:20 pm »
IDS, take a tip from me.  It's never a good idea to take me literally.   ;)

Sartre was a cynical misanthrope.  The quote is from one of his plays.
I've been aware of the quote for a long time.   I think I read No Exit in college, but don't even remember.  I do remember being interested in Existentialism for awhile.  It would be fun to revisit some of that stuff. 

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 02:49:51 am »
The rule of thumb I've developed over 20 years for programming projects is this -- any project having more than a half dozen members always has at least one total turkey who no one can stand and who ruins the teamwork flow for everyone.  Cynical... but usually true!

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 05:35:06 am »
As long as we are talking about "S" philosophers, I gotta bring up this old chestnut:

Socrates:  To do is to be.

Sartre:  To be is to do.

Sinatra:  Do be do be do.

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 07:15:47 am »
The rule of thumb I've developed over 20 years for programming projects is this -- any project having more than a half dozen members always has at least one total turkey who no one can stand and who ruins the teamwork flow for everyone.  Cynical... but usually true!

Not the same, but The Sociopath Next Door states that 1 in 25 people is a sociopath.  I've heard the book was good but scary, and after only two chapters, I can confirm that.  I find that statistic alone to be shocking.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 09:48:21 am »
Carrie,

I haven't read the book, nor would I want to, as it would only turn my world into a more depressing place. And books come out all the time claiming things, but I'd want to verify the facts in a book like that.

But take heart that sociopathy is a diagnosis that exists on a continuum: low level sociopaths are not going to kill you, they just might cheat at cards more often or sell you a car without warning you that it is going to need an very, very expensive repair very soon.


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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 11:44:28 am »
Not the same, but The Sociopath Next Door states that 1 in 25 people is a sociopath.  I've heard the book was good but scary, and after only two chapters, I can confirm that.  I find that statistic alone to be shocking.
That would be a 4% rate. Hare (cited in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy) puts the rate at 1% or 1 in 100 while another study puts it at 0.6% or 1 in 166.
Yes, living with one is hell.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 12:35:17 pm »
Carrie,

I haven't read the book, nor would I want to, as it would only turn my world into a more depressing place. And books come out all the time claiming things, but I'd want to verify the facts in a book like that.

But take heart that sociopathy is a diagnosis that exists on a continuum: low level sociopaths are not going to kill you, they just might cheat at cards more often or sell you a car without warning you that it is going to need an very, very expensive repair very soon.

Exactly, it's not just murderers, but anybody without a conscience.  They took the stat from a study that I can't remember now.  The first two chapters discuss what exactly is meant by sociopath, it's not an easy, clear definition.  They seem to try to boil it down (for layman's purposes in general society) as lack of love, empathy and compassion.  For most of us, our behavior is dictated by those.  They also describe a hypothetical case to illustrate how hard it is to nail it down because it's really all about the person's intent and/or inner thoughts and feelings.  For example, does a guy bail out on a critical business meeting to go home and feed his dog:

a.  because he loves the dog
b.  because he feels guilty (if anybody found out the dog starved, they'd judge him)
c.  because it benefits him financially (not likely unless he's breeding it)
d.  etc

I'm fascinated by such things.  People are hell and they are also a huge mystery. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 12:36:42 pm »
Carrie,

I haven't read the book, nor would I want to, as it would only turn my world into a more depressing place. And books come out all the time claiming things, but I'd want to verify the facts in a book like that.

But take heart that sociopathy is a diagnosis that exists on a continuum: low level sociopaths are not going to kill you, they just might cheat at cards more often or sell you a car without warning you that it is going to need an very, very expensive repair very soon.

Years ago I took a self test that appeared in an article about sociopaths in society.

It indicated that I was a sociopath of low order.

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Re: Hell is other people
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2011, 02:02:31 pm »
Years ago I took a self test that appeared in an article about sociopaths in society.

It indicated that I was a sociopath of low order.

With sharp teeth.  ;D

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Re: Hell is other people
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2011, 02:03:14 pm »
Yeah but that test was for Humans, not Gorns...

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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2011, 05:36:28 pm »
Yeah, the test results can be thrown out when you cross species.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 11:22:52 am »
Let me argue the point a little more. 1 in 25 may indicate the number of people with the brain disfunctions of being unable to grasp social interactions and to build the proper frameworks for understanding what is happening around us. There is also a spectrum of levels of disfunction.

However, without the "pathy" of using others only for one's own benefit (pleasure, wealth, or other) I am not willing to grant all those people the term "sociopathic". Other terms could be "high functioning aspergers" or just "socially inept". A person could have the brain disfunction but have the desire to help others and spends one's life trying to help them (and tripping over their disfunction). There are multiple dimensions to the problem not just the brain disfunctions.

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 12:07:18 pm »
@David Randolph, great point and I have always felt this way. Labels are always too one-dimensional.
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