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Dealing with our first "natural disaster"...
« on: September 16, 2008, 12:55:11 pm »
Preface: "Electric cars" that need to be plugged in .... hahahahahaha SCREW YOU!

No offense to any forumers, just responding viscerally. See the news articles.

Our in-laws have power, and that's where we are at this afternoon. I am sharing my in-law's internet connection on my laptop.

This area (most of western Ohio) received the remnants of Hurricane Ike on Sunday. We experienced tropical storm level winds, in excess of 65 MPH at our house. We lost our power on Sunday afternoon - as of this morning (Tues) Duke Energy is estimating power to be restored at our location on the 20th (Saturday.) So we will have been out of power for 6 days.

My work has slammed to a halt, as has normal life.

What I find remarkable is just how like a hoard of !@*&^ locusts that most people turn into after an event like this. Try to find a bag of ice at a store? HA F*CKING HAH! Unwashed rednecks scoured EVERYTHING useful for living without power from storm shelves well before we even thought of buying it.

I intend to purchase, after this is all over: a generator; some freeze dried meals; a coffee percolator that works on a cooktop; an old fashioned kerosene fueled camp stove. At least we had plenty of batteries, and we have several LED flashlights that have been absolute life savers. I've heard that you can't even find batteries in the stores.

Of course, we've lost most of the contents of our freezer.

Of course, an area like Galveston got hit much worse than our area, which just suffered wind damage and very little rain.

What I find remarkable is just how useless the average modern house is for day to day living unless you have a source of electric. I'm pretty good at improvising, but still, EVERYTHING!!!! runs on electric. I can see society breaking down if power were unavailable.

And, oh boy, people here are pissy. Even more so than me!
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 02:26:25 pm »
Guns will get you thru times of no electricity better than electricity will get you thru times of no guns!
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 02:41:40 pm »
We were without electricity for eight days in Jan 2006. (Ice storm) It was pretty rough. You're right about the hoarding. We live in the boonies, and our (electric) well was not operating. That made for some interesting situations. Fortunately a relative drove in and brought much needed firewood and water. The neighbors remained fairly calm, and we helped each other to the extent we were able. Everyone was taken by surprise. The local Wal Mart was very slow to resupply. That kinda surprised me. Genarators, kerosene, batteries, lamp oil, bottled water were all scarce.

I still get a little freaky when we have a brief outage.

The only modern convenience that was in service during the entire time was our land line telephone, and old, wire-connected handset.

Now we have an entire closet full of emergency stuff. I hope we never have to use it.

You have my sympathy. Sounds like the people in your area are pretty hostile. At least we were spared that.

Wouldn't want to go through that again.

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 03:25:14 pm »
I heard a great comment on the news this weekend:

"When a hurricane warning is anounced people on the gulf coast pack up and head for the hills, or stock up on batteries, bottled water and duct tape. People in New Jersey say "All Right!! Hurricane Party!!!" and rush out to buy beer.


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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 03:26:38 pm »
Hmmm... is there an echo of someone named Franklin in there? Or perhaps Phineas?
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 03:37:10 pm »
Thanks, Codger.

My wife is riding me for being so surly but one thing that is quite apparent is that when you work out of your house, your output goes to zip when you lose power. At least she can go into work, I have no "moorings" without being plugged in. (The downside of virtual work/virtual life.)

I think what is most stressful is just having our daily routine obliterated, and also being at the mercy of a public utility. (or any other single entity.)
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 04:45:31 pm »
On the third day, the city trucked in dry ice, and by not opening the freezer unnecessarily, I was able to save nearly everything.  Electric stove, so charcoal grill any thing I wanted hot.

A neighbor had a generator, ran it round the clock.  Hot weather, windows open.  Like having a lawnmower running all night.  I thought about killing the damn thing.

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 07:51:41 pm »
We get hurricanes and ice storms, but have never had a power outage lasting more than 48 hours. Food preservation is out.  A propane camp stove was used to cook all the eggs.



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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 04:35:50 am »
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Our in-laws have power, and that's where we are at this afternoon. I am sharing my in-law's internet connection on my laptop.
Nice that you've got at least some shelter from the storm... will they let you stay until your power's back on?  How far away from your home are your in-laws?

I've never experienced an outage of more than a few hours, been lucky so far.  I hope your electric comes on sooner than expected.

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 09:34:07 am »
First off, you have my empathy, as a multiple occurence veteran of hurricanes and power-loss issues. Some lessons learned:

* Depending on your deductible, your loss of food may be covered by your homeowners insurance. If so, you have to gather receipts for all the replacement food upon purchase. This doesn't help if you put up fruit and veggies from your own garden.

* After hurricane Frederick in '79 in Mobile, neighborhoods had communal grillouts where folks would contribute the perishables from their freezers before the stuff went bad. Don't know if that's viable today.

* One problem with generators is they require fuel - usually gasoline, sometimes diesel or propane, occassionally solar / batteries. Most poop out after a few hours unless you keep feeding them.

* If you do have limited access to AC power, use extension cords and power strips for easier swapping of what you're powering. After Ivan in '04, the service connection to the outside of our house got wiped out by the the falling chimney. Fortunately, we have an extra service pole and meter in the yard for our well house and an outbuilding (demolished). Within a couple of days, the power co-op had our well running, so we had water and access to one outlet inside. We ran one extension to the kitchen for the fridge. I was able to rotate usage of a coffee pot, crockpot, etc. The other extension went to the bedroom for tv and an oscillating fan. Our water heater is in the attic, which lost 1/5 of the roof. My husband would use our "solar heated" water to get a quick shower in the middle of the day.

* It pays to have an automobile adapter/charger for small electronics and laptops. After Ivan, I ran my business from my truck, sitting in the front yard. Kept the cell phone and laptop charged. We got landline phone after a couple of days, so I did dialup for internet and email. Otherwise I would have travelled to one of the "charity" wifi hotspots.

* Again, if you have the right policy, you can file a loss/interruption of business claim on the home office. I avoided having to do this, but only because all my clients were either in the same boat or sympathetic to the crippled state of affairs. I did get one deadline extension - mostly because the storm was catastrophic to the client and their needs were rearranged accordingly.

* Always keep at least a 72 hour supply of food and water for every member of the household including pets. Even canned goods have an expiration, so rotate them into regular usage as necessary and replenish accordingly.

* If you fill up a bathtub pre-storm, that water can be heated and used for bathing, or boiled / chlorinated in a pinch for cooking or drinking.

* If you have access to a "body of water" (lake, pond, swimming pool, etc) you can tote buckets of water to flush toilets (did this after Frederic - no water pressure for nearly 3 weeks).

I couldn't watch the post-Ike coverage on tv. Too many flashbacks to previous traumas. Also, I grew up in Houston, so I knew a lot of the places being shown.

Again, my sympathy and prayers to all affected.

Regards,
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 03:22:19 pm »
I still haven't completely recovered from Katrina (I consider being fully recovered as sitting fat and happy in my replacement home, which I have not finished due to a number of reasons), and the place I was renting in SE LA got walloped by Gustav, so my power was out for 4 days, and the cable internet for a week after that.

I will have to admit that Ike, for being such a relatively weak storm (only Category 2 I believe) has been quite destructive.  Even though it stayed far off the LA coast, it flooded a whole bunch of areas worse than even Katrina and Rita!  Now it is causing problems for the Yankees! (Here, Yankees are defined as folks who fought against the Confederates.)
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 04:04:31 pm »
We Yankees are candyasses insofar as coping with disasters like this. What you went through had to be many times worse than the relatively mild disruption that we experienced this week.

The midwest gets tornadoes, but otherwise the only big risks here are ice storms and relatively infrequent but now overdue New Madrid earthquakes. My wife and are were apparently well-prepared compared to lots of people we've heard from, and yet it felt like we didn't have squat for survival at times.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 04:34:11 pm »
Actually, we've done virtually everything you are recommending. In fact, I'll "one up" you on the 12 v power cord idea. Last winter one car battery kept dying so I bought a Black and Decker (Vector OEM) "jumper box", basically a trickle-charged battery that you keep plugged in all the time, and which you can clamp to the car battery terminals if you can't get started. Well, it has a 12 volt "power outlet" (cigarette lighter) and I have been running a small TV off of it to get news at the worst of the storm. But we could also charge our cell phones off of it if need be. The best $35 I ever spent at "Wally World."

Still, like I posted to ITWhore in this thread - my wife and I were comparatively EXTREMELY well prepared, and it still felt like you can't really do anything. Maybe that's just my programmer's compulsive perfectionism at work.

And, again, after driving around a little and seeing how parts of the area were affected, we were VERY fortunate to not have suffered worse damage.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 07:50:40 pm »
If you have a full tank of gas you can drive somewhere, and be far enough away that you can by more gas.  A few jugs of bottled water and canned soup and meats (yes, like SPAM ) would also help.

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2008, 06:15:59 am »
Battery backups are nice.  Ideally I'd like one I could recharge via solar during extended outages - but that gets kinda pricey.

The most important thing during these events is to keep your sense of humor.  Slow down and just accept the situation as best you can.  My husband gets super stressed out.  He had a major heart attack while we were in storm recovery after Ivan - about a month out.

Myself, I sort of got into the camping out at home routine.  Also I had the perfect excuse for having a messy house.  "Sorry the place looks like a storm hit it.  Oh wait!  A storm DID hit it!"

Oh, and you really can retrain yourself to change a habit in about three weeks.  That's how long it took me to stop reaching for the light switch every time I went in the bathroom.  Then when we finally did get house power back, I had to remind myself to turn on the light.  

I hope the lights come back on at your home soon.

Regards,
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