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Central Air in the attic
« on: November 28, 2011, 09:33:03 pm »
I cannot find much information on this topic. It is unusual to me.  Central Air has always been in the basement in my experience however many buildings have the units on the roof.  My new home is going to have spray-foam insulation which my daughters brand new school also uses. I really like that because it will be quiet.  The builder does not seal off the attic and allow it to heat up instead they spray the foam directly underneath the roof and along the cold walls.  So the AC unit will be sideways in the attic.  Looks like a giant spyder or something from the Alien movie series.  A real concern is the correct flow of condensation out of the attic, I read about 2 paths and one is more of a notification that the primary has clogged/failed.  It takes two external ground level units to support it but I think I can choose to only run both on hot days.

Does anybody have an AC unit the attic ?

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 10:57:17 pm »
Yes, we have central air in our attic crawl space; the compressor is outside. The house has hot water heat.

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 11:09:51 pm »
I guess its more efficient since the hot air rises to the unit, the cooled air falls into the floors below.  No ducts extend below the 2nd floor.  If this were arranged in the basement you would be pulling hot air down two flights into the lowest level to cool it just so you could force it back up into the higher floors.

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 12:27:59 pm »
As with JM's system, the evaporator coil, fan and air distribution box may be in the attic but it is very unlikely you would ever find a compressor unit in the attic.  It would make too much noise and it would be much too heavy.  Look around at other houses in the area from the same builder.  You should see outside compressors.

A-coils/evaporators are often mounted in the attic above the garage with trap door access for servicing.  Also in the event of a leak or blocked drain line, the house interior does not get damaged.

Proper drainage is definitely required for an attic mounted A-Coil.   There will usually be a small plastic/rubber line which goes to an outside wall and down for bleeding accumulated water.

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 12:37:39 pm »
Pxsant's description is exactly what I would expect.

It sounded like HiredGunn was concerned that a clogged condensate drain would cause water to back up and leak from the attic into the living areas and therefore cause damage.

I think the only protection is the backup drain line he mentioned, and vigilance.

Stuff will eventually get into the condensate, but only filtered air should pass over the AC coils (I assume you will have an electronic air cleaner), therefore the risks are rather small and any clogging ought to take a long time to ever be significant enough to cause the primary drain to stop flowing.

Still, you're obliged to check what is flowing out from the system every so often.
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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 01:28:19 pm »
It sounded like HiredGunn was concerned that a clogged condensate drain would cause water to back up and leak from the attic into the living areas and therefore cause damage.

I think the only protection is the backup drain line he mentioned, and vigilance.

I've seen a setup where the units in the attic are suspended from the rafters. I believe the intent is to prevent any vibration on the floor from transmitting through to the ceilings below.

There is also a drip pan under each unit with a water sensor that automatically shuts the system down and sounds an alarm if there is a leak.


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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 01:40:39 pm »
There is also a drip pan under each unit with a water sensor that automatically shuts the system down and sounds an alarm if there is a leak.

I bet there is a drip pan.

And if there is no sensor, you can buy this stuff, which is for basements, which alarms if there is basement flooding.
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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2011, 09:55:43 am »
As with JM's system, the evaporator coil, fan and air distribution box may be in the attic but it is very unlikely you would ever find a compressor unit in the attic.  It would make too much noise and it would be much too heavy.  Look around at other houses in the area from the same builder.  You should see outside compressors.

A-coils/evaporators are often mounted in the attic above the garage with trap door access for servicing.  Also in the event of a leak or blocked drain line, the house interior does not get damaged.

Proper drainage is definitely required for an attic mounted A-Coil.   There will usually be a small plastic/rubber line which goes to an outside wall and down for bleeding accumulated water.

Right, I did not mean to suggest the compressors would be located in the attic. There are two compressors located on the ground outside.  So at first it seemed odd to run the coolant lines up 2.5 levels but after thinking about the cost savings in duct work and forced air efficiency it makes sense.

The unit has a deck over the rafters and a drip pan.  When I read about the home builder complaints in other states there were problems at times with eliminating the water collected.  One remedy was dumping it into 2nd floor toilet.   This was all rather strange to me.  For example in Chicago most homes have aluminum siding, I have never seen it here in Colorado.  I was talking to the guys digging the hole and reconditioning the soil per the lab report and they were just 2 more people telling me the homes are really well built which I can see as I walk thru the homes at various stage.

BTW - The economy is doing fine here locally.  I wanted to string the sales office along over a torterous winter, however they finished the lake community after taking over from the original builder.  In 60 days they had sold about 12 of the 17 lots.  I was onsite talking with a home owner who gushed about how quiet the neighborhood was when the sales guy walked up. After chatting a while he let it be known that the only other open-space facing lot was no longer available and sold last week.  He then said some Indian IT guy was looking to buy the last one or the big lot on the corner by the park. Eeek.  I put my cash down and punched my ticket.  I went over to sales lot located in another community with golf course backing units and had to basically stand in line to give him check #2 now that my design center choices are complete  Sales guy was 'closing' on another home with a couple.  I asked to see the fully built unit I had walked through but that owner walked through the door and also wanted the key, he was moving in the next week.

Back at the ranch I hired some Spanish speaking guys to put stone on the front of my existing house after I stripped off the wood siding.  I did this because I have no curb appeal. The tiny ranch was always butt ugly but has hardwood kitchen bay window sliding glass door to huge 2nd story deck I built, walkout basement to sunny southern exposure, luxury bath in basement and redesigned back yard with flagstone fence to fence under deck with steps around side to front.  In other words I need curb appeal in order to get some guys wife to walk through the front door and see that it gets better in kitchen and out back.

As I chatted with the English speaking crew lead he said they do have slow weeks but he has been busy all year and has no intention of looking for work outside his field.  The guys digging the hole for the basement said they have 15 more to do next week.

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2011, 03:58:08 pm »
Yep that is an air handler with A coil.   The drain line appears to be a 1" plastic tube.  That should be OK without getting clogged as long as the unit is properly sealed and no attic insulations gets sucked into the air handler.  Once a year it should be opened up and the drain should be checked just for safety.

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2011, 08:18:42 pm »
Our house is about 2 years old, and has a setup like JM and pxsant described. Our house is big enough that we needed two units, one for each floor.

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2011, 10:16:29 pm »
Slinky,

This one has two condensors outside but since there are no vents in the basement nor the first floor it just vents everything from the A/C into the 2nd floor and lets cold travel down while it vacuums up the hot.  I thought I could control whether or not I run both condensors, will need to check on that.  I think it has a furnace on two levels but again need to follow up.

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Thanks - it sounds like it will work out.  The insulation wont interfere, this spray-foam insulation is basically 'Great Stuff' in massive volumes.  They spray it into the walls and under the roof, it expands there then they slice it smooth to the studs and drywall it. Well the attic wont have drywall but it does not move around like fiberglass etc.  My neighborhood has gone to the dogs, I hear them all through these walls, 4:00 am ( we have badgered them into moving finally ) and throughout the day.  So I am really looking forward to the spray foam walls.  Owners with spray foam have posted how quiet it is in their homes.  For the inside wall between master bedroom and great room they cannot spray foam so I already met the foreman and told him to tip me off when the drywallers come, I will bribe them to slip old school fiberglass into that inner wall for the sole purpose of keeping out noises from the other areas of the house either for quality sleep or working on the computer, handling emergency pages etc. 

"Can you hear me now?
Whether it’s the neighbor’s barking dog, street traffic or planes overhead, outside noise is an unwelcome guest in most homes.Builders can hit a trifecta with spray polyurethane foam (SPF) insulation – SPF can help improve a home’s overall performance, help lower energy bills, and help provide sound attenuation."

I love watching this stuff get sprayed on and expand to 1000 times its size

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNEOFtg_RQs&feature=related

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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2011, 10:33:07 pm »
That spray foam on the underside of the roof makes absolutely perfect sense and I don't get why it's not a more common retrofit. You completely avoid the 150 degree oven effect in the attic.
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Re: Central Air in the attic
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2011, 03:58:07 am »
That spray foam on the underside of the roof makes absolutely perfect sense and I don't get why it's not a more common retrofit. You completely avoid the 150 degree oven effect in the attic.

I was skeptical at first but my attic gets so hot I don't think I could survive up there for just 10 minutes.  Why keep a bubble of heat directly over your home if you have a choice?  It gets WAY hotter than the Outside Air Temp.  Just take the fight to roof and don't fool around with attic.  Hopefully the utility bills are the same. He showed me a guys electric/gas bill for August and it was a tad smaller than what I pay for this little place. They say the new efficiencies will allow me to trade up without monthly utility cost going up.  I hope so.


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