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Re: Business Uses Whatever Excuses It Needs To Justify Its Behavior
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 04:52:16 pm »

I am starting to come to the conclusion its time for me to start my own business. Because otherwise I am going to be forever beholden to these people. Not sure its going to be a technology oriented business or something else. I just know the current system is just not working.

I came to the same conclusions.

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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2011, 09:05:26 am »
The first year for which I can get statistics on H-1B visas is 1990.  That year, there were 794 visas approved.  Over the 1990s it rose to 110,000 per year. 


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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2011, 09:07:29 am »
The complaints I've seen against the rich are not that they buy yachts but that they save their money, and thereby hurt the economy. 

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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2011, 11:27:56 am »
The complaints I've seen against the rich are not that they buy yachts but that they save their money, and thereby hurt the economy.

WM, I'm sure you realize that's silly.  "Savings" in some combination of bank accounts and stocks and bonds are what provides the capital for banks to lend to businesses which creates jobs, which puts money in the pockets of consumers, some of whom may buy smaller boats, and many more than the rich buy yachts.  Which creates jobs for boat-builders.
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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2011, 11:59:30 am »
Orig,

You and I are on the same page on this, if you'll recall from a thread last week.


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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2011, 03:22:51 pm »
Orig,

You and I are on the same page on this, if you'll recall from a thread last week.

Wha', remember wha'?  Is this one of those "senior moments"?

I know it all, I just can't remember it all at the same moment.   ;)
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Re: Business Uses Whatever Excuses It Needs To Justify Its Behavior
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 05:31:25 pm »
The reality is that IT is IT. If you are experienced in a bunch of things how long do you think it will take you to pick something up? Not long. There is a bigger problem today though, nobody wants to train anybody. So you have to do it on your own dime. So even if you do that it does not mean people will give you a job. I have been looking for the past few months and I can tell you for a fact that the employers are being incredibly picky now - must have a minimum of 10 years of pharma, 10 years of telecom, must have abcdefghijkmnopqrstuvw.... blah skills. Its incredible now. On top of this they get like 200 candidates for every single job.

Just to add fuel to your fire.  I wanted to join a linkedin group and they required you to be a member of some other website so I went to check it out.  I kid you not, the first topic had a guy saying to the effect of "we can find great statistics people but we can't find anyone who can write C and is great at statistics".  So, a guy who masters statistics, and probably a decent bit of math along with it, has to also learn to program because, god forbid, the employer invest in the employee while they get up to speed on C.

Further, there is apparently a new trend along the lines of "don't apply if you don't already have a job".

And to add to the amusement, I decided to search for PHP at indeed.com, figuring it would provide the laundry lists, and you know what, it did not.  The job descriptions were pretty reasonable even with the laundry lists.  PHP is kind of fluid and it all kind of messes together.  I even found an entry level job something I was certain only went to interns these days.  And unless the "you aren't working brand" is too powerful, or, they have 200 resumes I'd have a legitimate shot at what I saw.

I really want to get out of development, and I spent so damn much time doing the BI/database piece, which I like and fits me, but the market is screaming "come to me and we'll PHP together".

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Re: Business Uses Whatever Excuses It Needs To Justify Its Behavior
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 05:57:03 pm »
Further, there is apparently a new trend along the lines of "don't apply if you don't already have a job".
New Jersey recently passed a law prohibiting employers from stating in their want ads that the unemployed will not be considered. Nice idea, but I'm not quite sure how they expect to enforce that.

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Re: Business Uses Whatever Excuses It Needs To Justify Its Behavior
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 07:12:04 pm »
Further, there is apparently a new trend along the lines of "don't apply if you don't already have a job".
New Jersey recently passed a law prohibiting employers from stating in their want ads that the unemployed will not be considered. Nice idea, but I'm not quite sure how they expect to enforce that.

Easy enough to enforce the prohibition against the ads.   Too costly to enforce against the practice.  That would involve sending real people to apply for the advertised openings.
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Re: Business Uses Whatever Excuses It Needs To Justify Its Behavior
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2011, 07:17:03 am »
Easy enough to enforce the prohibition against the ads.   Too costly to enforce against the practice.  That would involve sending real people to apply for the advertised openings.

And even if you did, what employer is going to be stupid enough to say "Sorry, we don't consider the unemployed".

When I was a hiring manager we had all kinds of secret codes that our screeners would put on the applicant's  resume and/or the job req so we could weed out the "undesirables."

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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2011, 09:02:36 am »
One person at a major firm told me that "Super Experience!" on a resume was secret code for "don't hire; too old".  Their reason for not hiring anybody over 40 was simple:  that's how they kept their health insurance premiums down. 


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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2011, 09:10:03 am »
One person at a major firm told me that "Super Experience!" on a resume was secret code for "don't hire; too old".  Their reason for not hiring anybody over 40 was simple:  that's how they kept their health insurance premiums down.

A problem which will continue as long as we connect health insurance to employment.   

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Re: Varied Points of View on Agism in IT
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2011, 03:28:58 pm »
One person at a major firm told me that "Super Experience!" on a resume was secret code for "don't hire; too old".  Their reason for not hiring anybody over 40 was simple:  that's how they kept their health insurance premiums down.

A problem which will continue as long as we connect health insurance to employment.

Amen!


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