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choppedwood

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Sometimes People Shock You
« on: January 18, 2012, 01:40:07 pm »
At my last job we had a guy, young, 20's, who did various jobs.  He was famous for showing up late after going out and partying all night long.  In fact, we're pretty sure he showed up to work stoned a few times.  One of his managers would schedule him a 1/2 hour early to get him in on-time.  He was making $20/hr, maybe, part-time, and he eventually moved to working at an order desk.  They laid him off because they hoped it would motivate him to finish college.  Everyone agreed he was smart.  After that the last I heard is he headed out of town to go live/party with his brother.  This was 2008.

Anyways, about a year ago I hit him up on linkedin but he never responded.  For whatever reason about 2 weeks ago he responds.  I ignored it until I noticed a BI job attached to his name (it's actually right up my alley) so I take a look and check up on him.  It turns out that he's now a VP for a crazy fast growing start up (at least from what I can read) leading a team of 15 programmers developing his company's major products.  I check the company on glassdoor and it gets great employee reviews (maybe they get interesting start times too).

The dude hit the proverbial jackpot.
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Re: Sometimes People Shock You
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 02:39:31 pm »
Good for him, sounds like he found his niche!  Could be an opporunity for you now too. 

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 03:34:16 pm »
Hard to know.  It would require relocation, and I'm old enough to have been his father, so I have my doubts but he would know my work, which might be good or it might be bad.  Still, amazing to see him hit a home run like that. 

Those kinds of things are such crap shoots.  I met a guy who went to school with Jerry Yang.  He had a chance to work at yahoo as one of the first but instead went to the insurance industry.  Oops!  And then, there are those who went to work for Webvan.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 03:45:03 pm »
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I'm old enough to have been his father

Yeah that's a killer.  I seem to be more like the guy that went to Webvan, when I faced a fork in the road, in retrospect I usually forked up the decision.  Who knows, I could be on wife number three or four and broke had I gone down those other roads too.  Life ain't so bad...

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 04:00:42 pm »
Over the years, I've observed some incredibly lightweight - and frankly, clueless and undeserving people who vault to near the top of an organization - while much harder working peers are left in the dust or downsized. Essentially, someone likes "the cut of their jib" - they develop a "patron" or "sponsor" who  clears the way for them. Based largely on nothing but social dynamics.

I really believe that being non-threatening and politically inert has everything to do with it. I bet that's this kid's story. He's not going to make anyone look bad, and he's not currently needed on any technical task (because he really can't do anything that well), so he is a prime candidate for promotion.

It's the way of the world, and the way of most IT shops if you're a permanent employee.
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Re: Sometimes People Shock You
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 04:09:53 pm »
Life is a popularity contest, if you don't believe it just look at what celebrity status of any sort pays...

The masses proclaim, "that's not fair" and then pony up to pay the celebs.

We are a funny lot us humans.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 04:30:05 pm »
I really believe that being non-threatening and politically inert has everything to do with it. I bet that's this kid's story. He's not going to make anyone look bad, and he's not currently needed on any technical task (because he really can't do anything that well), so he is a prime candidate for promotion.

The Gorn is a cynical beast today.  I think he just found his home at the right time.  He probably got in right at the beginning of the start up, worked in tech support, someone needed X, he delivered, and ran from there.  I saw his work and know he could have done things like that.  He probably worked directly with the president too.  I will agree that he would be 100% non-threatening to anyone so that probably didn't hurt his chances. 

When he and I worked at the same company he was probably bored out of his mind.  I know I got that way near the end. 

"Boss (say, which one of you is my boss this month), I'm gonna do X, it makes sense, I've got some time, it'll really help...". 

"No, don't do that!" 

"Uh, ok, but....." 

Two hours later after blocking some IP addresses, checking the slow query log, running through the error log, "say, I wonder what the ESPN power ranking is for the Sharks....".

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 04:35:48 pm »
Ok, I see what you're saying.

I'm a cynical beast every day... Sometimes stories I read sound very similar to my past experiences and I key into that.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 05:09:02 pm »
I'm a cynical beast every day... Sometimes stories I read sound very similar to my past experiences and I key into that.

Nah, I get that.  I used to work next to a guy who was a Marketing Director.  I never saw him move, much less work.  He moved around the company a couple of times and once during an interview with the President said "I want your job".  It became a running joke.  He left, and somehow, wound up with another managing job.  Amazes me.

Anyways, this was a decent guy.  Just emailed me back, in fact.  I think a lot of us, besides money, want a place where when we do something good it's recognized and rewarded.  Sometimes we even just want a chance to do something good.  I think he got that chance.  I have a hard time imagining him managing 15 people but then had he stayed where I was he'd probably never have gotten the chance to manage 2.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 12:23:22 pm »
That's right, and too many workplaces give us no opportunity to stretch.  I've been marvelling alot lately at the things I'm doing for the greyhound adoption.  I'm REALLY stretching on this.  Every kind of task that's not generally my strong point, from financials to managing people to public relations.  I'm also stretching at my paid job because I'm now bridging between business and technical people 100% of the time.  I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't missed programming at all.  I think this could launch me in a whole new career direction.

When you don't let someone take a risk, they can never let you down but also never surprise you.

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Does business run on untermenschen? Yes.
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 12:30:30 pm »
When you don't let someone take a risk, they can never let you down but also never surprise you.

Isn't this the premise of virtually all "E-Myth" type thinking about business management, and most franchises?

You reduce the job to a punch list with occasional if/then/else branches, which are laid out in a management manual.

I think it's easy to run into business people, who run well regarded, consistent businesses, who believe that it's a sign of mismanagement to have employees who stretch to do their basic job duties.

In pop culture, it is a signature of the poorly performing restaurants in makeover shows like Kitchen Nightmares that everyone working there is winging it with no guidance or master plan.

I don't know if it is possible to reconcile the demand of a business to run smoothly and with minimal waste, with the need in some individuals to not do low demand rote tasks all of the time.

I suspect that it's really a de facto occupational caste system in place. The "best" people (professionals) get to stretch their wings. The low regarded humans are routed into highly demarcated, rigidly specific jobs.

For me, software contracting became a toxic bit of both properties. I was expected to perform like a renaissance man while being given the constraints of a bottom level worker. I suspect most borked software contracts work that way.

There seem to be many jobs in IT where your role essentially makes you regarded as an "untermensch" (subhuman in old Nazi parlance.) And it's a caste system in the sense that in a given organization, you probably cannot dig your way out of that perception of your person.

Even at higher levels than minimum wage style employment, such as software engineering, you can wind up in a role that is labels you internally as having no potential and little trust factor. You are in a narrow band as long as you stay in the job.

It sounds like the person that choppedwood describes in his anecdote was regarded that way in his old job.
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Re: Sometimes People Shock You
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 03:11:02 pm »
I believe that a lot of places pigeonhole you and there you sit. If they believe that you're a cog in their machine then they don't want you to stretch outside your defined job. Even places that "encourage" that often don't want you to go too far. I've seen other co-workers and managers feel threatened if you can do their jobs.

Is cross training between different roles still encouraged? I'd think that would be a good thing but hearing from others, it seems that some really get stuck into a narrow position.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 04:34:21 pm »
Is cross training between different roles still encouraged? I'd think that would be a good thing but hearing from others, it seems that some really get stuck into a narrow position.

I worked for several companies where managers were required to encourage their troops expand their skill sets.  In addition to helping the employees, it was cheap insurance in case someone quit or got run over by the proverbial beer truck.   But now, having two people who can perform the same job is considered "redundant" and one of the has to go.

There is also the idea that as long as you are doing your job, management doesn't have to worry about it getting done. If they let you learn new skills you might want to go use them and then they'd have to replace you.  It's much better to keep you in your little box, until that box is no longer needed. Then they can get rid of you and the box at the same time.
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Re: Sometimes People Shock You
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2012, 08:45:21 am »
What Trexx said.  My experience matches.

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Re: Sometimes People Shock You
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 10:25:09 am »
I think the ultimate goal is to turn everything into a $9.75/hr job and keep it there...


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