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Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« on: June 13, 2017, 11:08:20 AM »
Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?

Their HQ is still here, but the employees are gone overseas.

This article -- "What's Good for IBM May Not be Good for America" tells the story --
http://www.forbesindia.com/blog/technology/h1b-visa-norms-whats-good-for-ibm-need-not-be-good-for-america/

Note the chart that shows how the company has decimated its U.S. workforce, as per its strategy.

Would you call this --

1. Good business sense
2. "The way it is"... an inevitability
3. Unpatriotic
4. Anti-patriotic

Or what? Your comments solicited.

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2017, 02:30:52 PM »
I think Congress makes us taxpayers support these companies "because American jobs" and we even give them multi-billion dollar bailouts to save them from bankruptcy and then http://nypost.com/2015/08/18/gm-plans-to-sell-buicks-made-in-china-to-americans/

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2017, 02:37:51 PM »
I remember when IBM was a US company.  IBM mainframes were the gold standard and the people that worked on them had some great jobs, actual pensions and generous benefits.  I knew a few people at IBM.  They did very well.

With that being said, I can understand why IBM moved a lot of their operations to India and why they hired a lot of h1b visa people in the US.  It made good business sense at the time.  They were a lot cheaper to employ than the American workers.

I also think what they did was unpatriotic because they received all the benefits of being a US company, but did not offer as many opportunities to the people that live here.  They played our system to their benefit.  The most unpatriotic thing about it all is that our Congress, both sides, allowed this to happen and didn't stand up for the American worker.  They could have leveled the playing field so that we would have been able to compete with foreign competition, but they didn't.  Instead, Congress told us we Americans were not as educated as the foreign workforce.

Now, with President Trump, we have a chance to reclaim a lot of the jobs we have lost to foreign competition.  His administration is going to promote "hire American".  Its something that should have happened a long time ago.  For the past 20 some years, our government has given away the prosperity we once had as a nation and finally we have a government that is *really* for the people.

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 04:54:24 PM »
I think we need a new definition of what an American company is.

Right now, you have your HQ here and are registered here, and you're an American company.

I say add another criteria based on how many of your employees work at US-based locations. If it's not, say one-third, you're no longer an American company.

It's self-defeating and bizarre that the current value system is to shed as many U.S. jobs as you can. What kind of country could allow that and survive?

Would we have won World War II with that kind of "patriotism" ?  The Cold War? Gotten to the moon first?

Something fundamental has changed in business attitudes and it's not good. It should be a national goal to change that.

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2017, 06:10:27 PM »
If the government doesn't give them contracts, subsidies, tech giveaways and gigantic bailouts, I'm OK with them packing up and moving overseas to places with shit flowing in the streets, dead bodies floating in the rivers, and endemic cholera and tuberculosis like IBM is doing. (We also must never forget that study after study has found that in addition to being a backwards disease ridden society of cow worshippers, men in India literally have the smallest penises of any ethnic group in the world.)

But when we do have to have a socialized economy where the government pays for everything for these assholes and then they ream us, I take that personally.

IBM, GM, etc - this seems to be to be a rather textbook definition of socialism, in that the public funds and builds up these corporations. In the case of GM it's literally socialist in every way, the government actually bought shares and was the actual owner of the company. But then we receive no benefit, and the benefit goes to some class of elites. Not even really the shareholders since a lot of the time you see shenanigans where all valuable assets are offloaded to some other entity, and the shareholders find the only thing they own is a bunch of unfunded pensions and a bankrupt shell.

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2017, 08:11:51 PM »
^ Yeah, this shit pisses me off. Socialism in business but the scum citizen can eat mud and catch cholera.

...men in India literally have the smallest penises of any ethnic group in the world.)

With 1.3 billion people as a direct result!  :P

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2017, 04:14:28 AM »
Child brides, forced marriages, women viewed as chattel, and endemic rape culture help in that regard.

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2017, 07:27:07 AM »
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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 11:23:54 AM »
If the government doesn't give them contracts, subsidies, tech giveaways and gigantic bailouts, I'm OK with them packing up and moving overseas to places with shit flowing in the streets, dead bodies floating in the rivers, and endemic cholera and tuberculosis like IBM is doing. (We also must never forget that study after study has found that in addition to being a backwards disease ridden society of cow worshippers, men in India literally have the smallest penises of any ethnic group in the world.)

But when we do have to have a socialized economy where the government pays for everything for these assholes and then they ream us, I take that personally.

IBM, GM, etc - this seems to be to be a rather textbook definition of socialism, in that the public funds and builds up these corporations. In the case of GM it's literally socialist in every way, the government actually bought shares and was the actual owner of the company. But then we receive no benefit, and the benefit goes to some class of elites. Not even really the shareholders since a lot of the time you see shenanigans where all valuable assets are offloaded to some other entity, and the shareholders find the only thing they own is a bunch of unfunded pensions and a bankrupt shell.

Agree with everything you wrote. This is corporate welfare, corporate socialism, whatever you want to call it they are gouging the tax payer.

We call IBM the Indian Bowel Movement.

They have long been a horrible employer. Going back now at least 20 years. I knew some Bell heads that got outsourced to them and they made Ma Bell look like a boy scout. And Ma Bell was not a boy scout by any means with the things they did to their employees.

With that being said, since is official IBM policy to eliminate Americans I say it should be official govmt policy to cut them out of govmt contracts. Make the ineligible for ANY govmt contract. Unfortunately its not a reality because we now have pretend American companies that are doing the same thing.

Cant very well do that when we have Tata, Infosys and Cognizant also on the govmt payroll though, can we?

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 05:43:49 AM »
I think that we need to include GE in the list of bad companies. Any company that moves its HQ to a tax haven island in order to not pay taxes here should also be eliminated from getting any government contracts - including aircraft engines, navy engines, etc.

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Re: Remember when IBM was a U.S. company?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2017, 06:17:47 AM »

I want to boycott "US" companies that do this kind of thing.


Which means I will end up living a Neanderthal lifestyle in a cave somewhere.  I don't want to outsource my money to Elbonia.

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