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Options to IT career
« on: March 13, 2010, 06:38:25 pm »

I am currently unemployed and having a tough time finding another DBA job.
Off shore labor and H-1B has destroyed millions of IT jobs for the USA>

I am looking at another option- a joint MBA/JD degree program. However, I am almost 40 years old and not
sure if this would be possible to transition at age 45 to become a new lawyer/CPA or if I am wasting my time and money.

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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2010, 07:04:15 pm »
An old story goes that if a town has only one lawyer, he'll starve.  If it has two, they'll both get rich.

I'm not sure how this scales up, but it seems that lawyers do indeed make work for other lawyers.  And the more the merrier.

So the law career might be feasible.  But I would plan on setting up my own office, because the big firms will be wary of 45 year old junior associates.

The MBA would be useful only for the content, not as a ticket to any job.  You would be competing for entry-level MBA jobs against 20-somethings whom employers expect to work cheaper and longer hours.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 07:20:32 pm »
A MBA/JD can open a lot of doors and avenues, if that is what you would enjoy doing go for it!

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 09:48:50 pm »
"I'm not sure how this scales up, but it seems that lawyers do indeed make work for other lawyers.  And the more the merrier."
Achievement of critical morass, as it were.

When I've had to step outside of IT in two recessions....temporarily in the early nineties, finally in the earlies 2000's.....I've always had an eye to using one gig to get another.   IT got me into IT recruitment.  I was able to use the demonstrated interpersonal skills of this to get customer service/call centre/market research gigs.  Cust service got me admin gigs, bus driving got me warehouse/light-truck driving gigs.  OK, so this is not cerebral MBA sort of stuff.  BUt, since our govts forsook us and instituted policies which sent the IT works offshore (it's a wasteland in these parts), we have had to look to ourselves.  So, when you think of the fable of the grasshopper and the ant, I say, give the example of the stay-in-one-spot ant the arse and make like the grasshopper......light on your feet, and able to jump out of the way of the bulldozer when it rearranges employment prospects and opportunities.

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 12:03:54 am »
Did some research and as much as finance and law intrigue me, my primary concern with both MBA and law is the offshore started a few years ago with legal work being farmed out to India. See here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/10/AR2008051002355.html

So I am considering a medical career outside of IT such as becoming a nurse anesthetist (CRNA) since it takes less schooling than the 4-10 years to become an MD and less resistant to off shore to India. Soon, few jobs will be left in America thanks to greed and stupidity of American corporate traitors. CRNAs make a good income:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Specialist-nurses-paid-higher-hmoney-2327465018.html?x=0

I would be quite happy with 180k a year in a stable job!


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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 12:20:03 am »
"I would be quite happy with 180k a year in a stable job"

Words fail me.  Oh, if you could be in my shoes just for 24 hours.  Maybe you will be, who knows what the next few decades hold?  Pray to the god of your choice that you never find out.

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 12:33:49 am »
Aussie,

Life is expensive in the USA- homes cost a fortune like here in California almost a million US dollars for a modest home in large metro areas like Los Angeles, San Francisco and Irvine. Cars cost a lot more now too as well. Plus to save for retirement because most likely Social Security will be bankrupt by the time I am old enough to retire. Many things why one needs to earn a high income. It is not greed- heck I can live modest and be happy. My best option may be to save up enough to ex-patriate to a place like Thailand or the Phillipines where one can live well on less money in retirement.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 12:47:59 am »
Retire to Thailand or the Phillipines?  Fair dinkum?  Google "Thailand Phillipines insurgency" sometime......

Then again, who am I to talk?  Some folks like to live in interesting times.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 01:47:54 am »
@Aussie- I am also looking into places like Argentina, Brasil, and Belize in Latin America.
Since I speak fluent Spanish fitting in would be simple. Will see.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 03:35:13 am »
Well, good for you.  I wish you a pleasant retirement in the nation of your choice in South America or South-east Asia.

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 08:41:49 am »
@Aussie- I am also looking into places like Argentina, Brasil, and Belize in Latin America.
Since I speak fluent Spanish fitting in would be simple. Will see.

Well, good for you.  I wish you a pleasant retirement in the nation of your choice in South America or South-east Asia.

Now, now, lads, let's keep it civil.



appsdba, Ozzie has a point.  Those places, while they may sound inexpensive, have some serious drawbacks.  Argentina, for one, is an economic basket case with raging inflation (if you pay in US dollars, there's some protection).  The grass is always greener, etc.

I know that CA is pretty grim - a classic case of a "people's republic" mired in its own broken-down socialist economic feel-good fairy tales.  There are 49 other states, some with vibrant free-enterprise economies hiding under the ever-encroaching Federal nanny state.  Generally speaking they are quite a ways away from large bodies of salt water.
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 01:49:20 pm »
Guys,

Never meant to insult anyone. I have to keep survival in mind and in 30 years, when social security no longer exists, savings will be the only way for me to live in retirement. I am trying to think outside the box here. I do have an interview for a FTE in Colorado at 120k and while not big bucks, Denver is less expensive than Kalifornia or the PRK (People's Republic of Kalifornia) that many call it. While I would miss the beach and have to adjust to cold weather and snow, its better than starvation. I do note that having an advanced degree is ever more critical these days. A bachelor's degree is worth little more than a high school degree today.

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2010, 04:52:16 pm »
appsdba,

I have seen your postings on (ahem) "other" boards, as well as this one.  We are all in the same boat, what with the economy and flood of visa labor.  Sorry you got canned in favor of one of them.  I did, too, last go-round.  I even had to train my replacement or forfeit my severance.  Really a miserable situation.

You are very wise to use this downtime to consider your future.  Below are a few comments, some of which suggest further web research on your part.

(1)  Lived in Denver for ten years before moving, mainly for family reasons but also economic.  I.T. was pretty bad there after dot-com crash, as everywhere.  I expect it is pretty bad again.  But if you can land the 120k perm spot and sit on it a while, it would give you time to really research what to do next.  True, no ocean there, but some really nice outdoors activities.  The snow is not really that bad.  I remember mostly that a storm would come through, then it would all be melted off within a few days due to the bright sunshine (hey-closer to the sun by a mile!).  Real estate should be knocked down pretty well now, and mortgage rates will probably remain 5-6% through end of year.  With the economy starting to turn now, you could buy low and sell higher two/three years from now (if you decide to move on), pulling out cap gains at 0 tax (I think the rule is still you must live in the property 2 out of last 5 years, so you would qualify after two years).

(2)  You need to consider the opportunity cost of downtime--what you might have made had you not gone back to school.  I assume that the economy is rebounding, at least that is what the stock market has been saying (up 60% in last 12 months), and it is usually predicting 9-12 months ahead.  I personally do not think going MBA or law or nurse anesthetist would be good risks for payback, unless you can at least start one of them part time (nights) while holding your dba job.  That would give you time to see if you like it and get some exposure to the professors and people already in that new field, without throwing your current skills under the bus.  That said, if you really have a burning desire to do an MBA/law/n.a., well, then, of course--you only live once.  But you mentioned saving for retirement was worrisome, so I am guessing that you want a good chance of payback for whatever you choose next.

(3)  I am not sure that *not* having a masters will be such a problem going forward.  Education is getting devalued in the U.S.--wife and I have bachelors, masters, dba certs, and (her) PhD between us, and we joke that the more education we get, the worse off we are.  I believe, if I have followed your postings correctly, that you are in the top echelons of your field, at expert level, up quickly on new releases, etc.  So, by leaving the field, you are walking away from much more than others would be.

(4) Please google about medical outsourcing.  It is hard to tell how it, and the U.S. health care legislation, will turn out.  I'm not convinced that health related careers will be the end-all.  As for visas flooding the health care area, see in this thread:

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/nurse-rn/which-hospital-sponsor-nurses-H1B-visa-seattle-bellevue/t141153

"Oh very very easy, all non for profit hospitals have unlimited supplies of h1b and they can sponsor all year round, they do not have a cap on their h1bs. Once you are a Nurse practitioner or Nurse anesthesist just apply and ask them to sponsor you, you will be in EB 2 category for green card, which means after people who are famous scientist, researchers or polititians, you will be next in line for green card. Its an expediated process and there is hardly any one in EB1 category."

(5)  We need a little time to see how the Neufeld memo will be enforced.  Do you remember how section 1706 was jammed into the 1986 tax reform package at last minute, and, who woulda thunk it, changed the lives of U.S. I.T. contractors forever?  If this enforcement holds up, it will at least cut the h1b body shoppers out of the market.  I don't know about you, but these job shops have been more of a problem for my work than the larger outsourcers.  At least it is a move in the right direction.  To see how worried "that" community is getting about this CIS memo, just google NEUFELD MEMO + 2010.

We also need to see how immigration reform will pan out--supposedly this year.

(6)  To summarize, I am not sure that going back full time for an advanced degree for three or more years is really going to give you what you want at the end of it.  And a minimum three or four years is probably what you are looking at, what with meeting pre-reqs at the front end, internship at back end, etc.  Only you can say.  If you are just burned out on I.T. and just cannot do it any more or really do not want to do it any more, then, hey, many people have "been there".  I'm pretty much at that point, too, but, being older, I have fewer alternatives.  In that case, just getting away from I.T. will be like a new lease on life.  But you still need to choose your next career with care and keep retirement in mind--if your next career goes twenty years, it will be both your next and about your last career.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2010, 05:17:29 pm by twodbas2 »
"the power of neufeld compels them!"

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Re: Options to IT career
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 06:48:05 am »
"We are all in the same boat"

Reminds me of the old Australian convict versus free settler thing..... "We may have come over on different ships, mate.....but we're all in the same boat now!".


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