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Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« on: February 19, 2017, 07:53:06 PM »
I read this article in which the author seems surprised that some companies abuse H1B's in the IT sector --
www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/the-dark-side-of-the-h-1b-program/516813/

That surprises me. Every single shop where I've worked with H1Bs, I've seen them abused in some manner. Either they make less money or they are treated worse than US employees in terms of work situation (eg, hours, being on-call, etc.)

In my experience, that's why companies hire them. To push them around in ways that are harder to do with American employees.

I'm curious about your experiences. Have you ever seen a site where H1B's have not been abused?


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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 04:39:39 PM »
Nope. They screw them big time. A guy I work with has his h1b visa being held by the consulting company so he is trapped.

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 09:24:48 AM »
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I read this article in which the author seems surprised that some companies abuse H1B's in the IT sector... That surprises me. Every single shop where I've worked with H1Bs, I've seen them abused in some manner.

The author's ignorance is not surprising to me, because I believe that the ignorance problem goes way beyond stating that the author of that article has simply not been exposed to the proper information.

I do not have a quick and simple way to say what the ignorance problems are beyond stating that "the scope of the computer hardware and software job market is very diverse. As a result, there is going to be a lot of unknown unknowns out there or issues that are not applicable to everybody".

I am going to quickly compare the H-1B article with another one from the same website (see below). Imo, the article mentioned below does a good job of describing how brutal residencies actually are or how American doctors "still in training mode" get abused. The main difference between the two articles is that I as an article reader can extrapolate that abuse across an entire industry and understand that this abuse is something that is applicable to all American doctors.

Why So Many Young Doctors Work Such Awful Hours
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/doctors-long-hours-schedules/516639/?single_page=true

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 11:30:28 AM »
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I read this article in which the author seems surprised that some companies abuse H1B's in the IT sector... That surprises me. Every single shop where I've worked with H1Bs, I've seen them abused in some manner.

The author's ignorance is not surprising to me, because I believe that the ignorance problem goes way beyond stating that the author of that article has simply not been exposed to the proper information.

I do not have a quick and simple way to say what the ignorance problems are beyond stating that "the scope of the computer hardware and software job market is very diverse. As a result, there is going to be a lot of unknown unknowns out there or issues that are not applicable to everybody".

I am going to quickly compare the H-1B article with another one from the same website (see below). Imo, the article mentioned below does a good job of describing how brutal residencies actually are or how American doctors "still in training mode" get abused. The main difference between the two articles is that I as an article reader can extrapolate that abuse across an entire industry and understand that this abuse is something that is applicable to all American doctors.

Why So Many Young Doctors Work Such Awful Hours
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/02/doctors-long-hours-schedules/516639/?single_page=true

Yes doctors get abused during residency. This is well known and it does suck. However once in private practice people like us pay them $250 to see them for 10 minutes. Its not uncommon especially if they are a specialist. Doctors get theirs in the end.

Contrast that with IT people where the only getting they get is short end of a pink slip where you were replaced with someone cheaper.

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 03:28:22 PM »
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Contrast that with IT people where the only getting they get is short end of a pink slip where you were replaced with someone cheaper.

Keep in mind that I was not attempting to compare doctors with software developers. My point was that unlike some jobs/professions where problems and gripes tend to be universal there has always been (and still is) a lot of conflicting stories out there. For example, I did a quick Google search using the keyword "H-1B" and limited my search to results from just the past week. Below is an excerpt from an article that I found on the first results page.

...Within two weeks, Mogal had three job offers. He now works as a software engineer for EverQuote in Kendall Square making around $150,000 a year .... 

[further down in the article]
Mogal said employers are not hiring foreigners because it's a financially smart decision; hiring an H-1B worker over an American can be pricey. Companies have to pay lawyer fees, and, in some cases, H-1B transfer fees. "If I was running a business, I wouldn't hire myself in theory," Mogal said with a laugh. Companies do not do that because they like paying that much more. It’s just because of the scarcity of developers that we have here," Mogal said.

[Excerpts taken from this article]
H-1B Visas: Stealing American Jobs Or A Solution To A Tech Shortage?
http://www.wbur.org/bostonomix/2017/02/23/h1b-visas-debate

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 04:20:20 PM »
An H-1B told me her husband was severely abused at other jobs.  It sounded really bad what they were doing to him.  However, the big government contractor I worked for appeared to treat them no differently, as far as working hours, than anyone else.  Pay may well have been another matter.  Now that I think about it, two of them I worked closely with had M.S. degrees in engineering from good schools and were at a low grade level.  They were young, though.

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 09:04:12 AM »
A lot of these guys have the 2 layer thing (2 consulting companies between them and the client) going on. The lowest level usually controls the person's visa and take an exorbitant cut from them in the order of 40-60%.The middle layer is usually taking like 10%. They dont make that much based on what I have seen despite the billing rate being substantial. Most of them are smart enough to apply for their green card as soon as they get though it can take a long time.

Its pretty sad actually because it could just as easily be any of us. 

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 07:53:32 PM »
CBS News and 60 Minutes have finally figured out the H1B program has been abused by companies are years.

See -- http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused-since-the-beginning/

Rather late, IMHO. On the other hand, at least this is getting wider publicity and finally being exposed for what it is.

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Re: Have you ever seen a shop where H1B's are NOT abused?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 03:32:46 PM »
The lowest level usually controls the person's visa and take an exorbitant cut from them in the order of 40-60%.

Yeah, controlling the immigrant's visa is key to the whole thing. It completely thwarts any attempt by the H1B to get a better deal if they're abused.

Take away that and these people could bargain for a better deal, which would help them (obviously) but also EVERYONE in IT. A captive labor force ruins it for all of us. It's like something out of 19th century America.