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ilconsiglliere

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Have We Reached Peak H1B Yet?
« on: October 23, 2015, 03:48:28 AM »
I have observed something in the last year or two regarding the H1B thing. In the past companies would go through enormous justifications about why they were using the H1B. There have been a litany of bullshit excuses that were for the most part just cover to get cheap labor. Some of the excuses I have heard include the following:

Americans dont have the skills we need - we cant find people.
Follow the sun ie. working around the clock 24 hours a day.
The outsource vendors are going to provide innovation.
The outsource vendors allow us to penetrate new markets.
Our existing employees dont have the skills we need in the new century.
blah, blah, blah...

Whatever, we all realized it was nonsense and the media didnt really challenge them on it. It just continued on its merry way.

Now though companies dont even pretend to make excuses anymore. They just want to replace you and lay you off. No excuses any longer. Now its just like this "Hi Bob, this is Sahib, he is going to shadow you for a few months. He is going to take your job and than we are laying you off. Thanks". There is no longer any pretense about why they are doing it. Its just a worker replacement program and its right out in the open. When they get caught, there is some initial outrage and it just continues. Just like that.

I think companies have realized that they dont need to play games anymore. They can and do whatever they want. There will be some backlash and than its back to business as usual.

I dont see the big outsourcing deals any longer. Now they are just chopping away at whats left.

So has the H1B peaked yet? Is there more yet more to outsource?

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Re: Have We Reached Peak H1B Yet?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 05:39:01 AM »
Displacing local workers with foreign migrants is as American as apple pie.  It's a sad, but true, fact of American labor history.


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Re: Have We Reached Peak H1B Yet?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2015, 08:06:57 AM »
Now though companies dont even pretend to make excuses anymore. They just want to replace you and lay you off. No excuses any longer. Now its just like this "Hi Bob, this is Sahib, he is going to shadow you for a few months. He is going to take your job and than we are laying you off. Thanks".

That is the IBM strategy, tho they seem to be doing less H1B-ing and more offshoring.

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Re: Have We Reached Peak H1B Yet?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 01:12:53 PM »
I went through this at a major F500 place 'bout seven years ago.  Round one was a group of IBM employees, all American, to size up the situation and review/interview (took about one minute) all the current staff under pretense of "rehiring" some of us.  Probably just to see if there were any perms they absolutely could not get along without.  Answer: not very many of those.

Then we had about seven months of hand-off to IBM.  Started with a few foreign PMs to shadow us and pick their overseas teams.  Then we trained their Indian staff via code reviews and conference call/training sessions.  These people were in India.

Then one meeting with our HR to review benefits after our "release".  Then a "perp-walk" as we turned in items and were escorted out individually.  No leg chains, though -- that was a nice touch.

Oh, well, at least now, 15 - 20 years into this "trend", at least we hear some political push-back at the national level.  Too late for me, unfortunately.  Doubt I have any more I.T. employment ahead of me.  But we will see...

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Re: Have We Reached Peak H1B Yet?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 01:45:31 AM »
The only viable IT work left is with dot gov, where you need the clearance and citizenship.

Working for private IBM types or worse, smaller types is scary these days.

I interviewed at a medical place, heavily outsourced.  Told them what I was making and later found out through the crooter than it was too much for them and they were looking for someone they could control, and work harder.
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