Author Topic: Why Open IT Forum is not more popular?  (Read 253 times)

Peter Gibbons

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Why Open IT Forum is not more popular?
« on: March 17, 2009, 09:25:15 pm »
JoS seems to be dying.

CoT is just too weird for me.

The private ASP forums were so slow and the interface very poor  ( when I used them couple of year ago ).
The membership also costs cost $100 / year.

Why are so few people using this forum? I haven't seen anything better.

Are there just 50 contractors in North America?

Or there rest are so wildly successful - they don't need any tips?

Should we try to attract more new IT people?

Or you just like the forum the way it is?


I was thinking that just creating a section:

microISVs

and some free advertising on CoT could bring some new members. It looks like a lot of mISV owner are also contractors.

Some people pay $100 ASP to get to the private forums - Open IT Forum could easily accommodate some of these people.





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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 09:44:20 pm »
I think the name originally selected for this forum just plain sucks now. "Open IT" was apparently intended to indicate an "open" information technology forum (as in completely unregulated, like Usenet.) I have departed considerably from the creator's initial vision as such by imposing civility standards on the discussion, banning or driving out undesirable elements, and by creating some "private" sections for the longtime user base of the forum. It's anything but "open" now, I'll readily admit.

But there is no way to really change the forum name (in the URL), except for attaching it to a domain (Yuku has this option now.)

I asked a successful freelancer that I know who has visited here occasionally. He pointed out two things: 1) the discussions tend toward the negative and there is a negative vibe here (his words) and it has sort of a "private club of regulars closed to outsiders" feel. 2) He said that the layout is REALLY ugly and looks very dated. Although he could not point to a superior look.

As far as "only 50 contractors"... that sounds like Janet Ruhl taunting us a few years ago with her "you're 15 guys" line.

I think the main issue with respect to this point is that we're literally not cool and cutting edge enough to get visibility. And most of the shallow viewing public confuses presentation with substance. I don't think discussion boards are the force they once were.

Good ideas about the mISVs section and perhaps some free advertising.

PS: what do you mean by, "the private ASP forums?"
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I am not very excited about the name too
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 09:47:46 pm »
but it's still better than "Joel on Software"

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Actually, you hit on a key issue - lack of a personality
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 09:56:45 pm »
"Joel on Software" would be considered lame except for fact that J.S. has become the public face of a certain kind of computer software business. If he had no gained the traction that he had with his blogging, JoS would be long dead.

The Realrates board was driven by association with Janet Ruhl's books and her salary and rates surveys.

We have no famous niche spokesperson here.

Except.... WAIT... don't you DARE look at me that way!!! (I'm an infamous crackpot, more like it.)
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Maybe we think we have enough members already
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 10:17:59 pm »
Or are just too lazy, apathetic or whatever to go out and recruit new members?
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Why Open IT Forum is not more popular?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 10:20:17 pm »
Well ...  you seems to have more staying power than Spolsky.

People question his wisdom but everything you say elicits "You nailed IT!" :-)

Plus you may be able to gain something from having other mISV types starting to congregate here.

Just don't threat mISV's like Janet did treat us - the contracting types


Well ... I certainly don't want to create more work for the moderators of this forum.

Just thinking aloud.








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Why Open IT Forum is not more popular?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 10:26:22 pm »
Good thoughts, and thank you for reminding me of that.

The problem with the BB persona is, of course, that in order to create content with that much attention getting power (in the way that I know how to do), I would basically burn bridges left and right if that personality were associated with my real life person. So what do I wind up with? A whole lot of work to create and maintain a persona that I really don't want to monetize or capitalize upon.

It makes me extremely uncomfortable to consider. A few times I've thought that I accidentally let my real name or identity somehow slip into a BB posting and I would break out in a sweat... seriously.
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Why Open IT Forum is not more popular?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 10:34:42 pm »


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As far as "only 50 contractors"... that sounds like Janet Ruhl taunting us a few years ago with her "you're 15 guys" line.
I don't have access to the server logs - so  I don't really know how many people are browsing the forums.
From the outside it looks like most of the posts are from a few regulars.

Maybe I was kind subconsciously comparing this forum with the RealRates during  it's heyday.
And of course we may never see this kind of activity in the near future ( again ) ?

Sorry if I have touched a nerve.



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PS: what do you mean by, "the private ASP forums?"
Supposedly one of the most important benefits of joining the Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) are the private forums where members can share ideas and tips - that the search engines and the general public can't see.

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Yes, good point
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 10:36:30 pm »
I'd imagine that this forum attracting a number of new members in a short period of time would make some members here nervous. To be honest, it would make me a bit nervous. I'd kind of wonder if they thought we "measured up". And we've had a lot of friction in the past from people passing through who disapproved of positions taken in postings here. And I'd be concerned about new fights breaking out.

Growth would be accompanied by some work in "maintenance".
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Oh, *THAT* ASP
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 10:37:32 pm »
Thanks. I honestly didn't think of the shareware outfit.
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Why Open IT Forum is not more popular?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 10:43:27 pm »
I didn't think about you revealing your other persona.

I have thought about doing some Open IT Forum advertising on CoT and even JoS by just saying that is an interesting place
where people can discuss contracting and mISV's issues in a friendly environment.

However I don't want to do that if this is only going to create more work for the moderators.

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Let's just drop this thread
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 10:57:28 pm »
I understand the points you make.

Certainly bigger is not always better. Thanks for reminding me that.

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This forum doesn't show up in common searches, that's why we don't grow
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 11:40:57 pm »
If one googles terms like "computer contractor forum" or "computer consultants forum", our board does not show up in the first three pages of results.

Even Janet Ruhl's forum (no longer active) shows up in the first three results pages.

The point being -- even people who might actively search for a forum exactly like ours will never find it.

I think this is why we don't get any new members.  IMHO it would be good if we showed up in common searches so that those who were seeking a forum like ours could find it.  Then we would have "organic growth" -- natural addition of members over time as those who are interested in this forum find it and join it.

Does anyone know how we would change our search results position?  (for example, have we ever submitted our site to search engines or directories?)  Just an idea....








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DUH!
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 11:50:03 pm »
Sometimes, the obvious is RIGHT under our noses.

Ok, I'm on it. Thank you!!!
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Computer Consultants Forum place in the Message Board Universe
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