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benali72

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« on: January 23, 2009, 11:19:20 am »
Just my two cents about how to keep this board valuable and useful to its participants ---

I would not be shy about rescinding someone's user id and ending their participation in Open IT Forum if their posts are consistently negative, sarcastic, rude, or inappropriately emotional.  As per the stated "Purpose" this is a forum for "serious IT professionals" --

>>>>> "PURPOSE: This is a place where serious IT professionals and technical contractors discuss business, technology, their careers, and the state of the industry. Contribute, vent or lurk."

I would not rescind anyone's participation for the occasional outburst or negative comment (as per the word "vent" in the "Purpose"). Nor should anyone's participation be rescinded for expression of different or conflicting viewpoints -- which is to be encouraged!

Obviously applying these standards to any particular participant is a judgement call.  Nevertheless it is one worth making to maintain the professionalism and ultimately the usefulness of the forum.







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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 12:47:32 pm »
I think the sneering disparagement of another person has the wrong flavor, even for the Politics section.

This is an ongoing issue.

But G0ddard seems to be on top of it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 01:23:41 pm »
Well, the simple solution to this is to get rid of the forum where comments like this are bound to happen; however, in lieu of that, the alternatives usually have their drawbacks. Who decides what's the wrong flavor, what is wrong? When is a disparaging comment called for, when is it uncalled for? Who decides? Who decides if they're right about it? The whole issue is fundamentally flawed because of the objective being a free discussion of ideas, both those you don't agree with and those you do. So, we're back to the simple solution being the most effective one available, or another alternative which is to leave things be and allow for the group to police themselves.

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 01:31:53 pm »
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Well, the simple solution to this is to get rid of the forum where comments like this are bound to happen; however, in lieu of that, the alternatives usually   have their drawbacks. Who decides what's the wrong flavor, what is wrong? When is a disparaging comment called for, when is it uncalled for? Who decides?   Who decides if they're right about it? The whole issue is fundamentally flawed because of the objective being a free discussion of ideas, both those you   don't agree with and those you do. So, we're back to the simple solution being the most effective one available, or another alternative which is to   leave things be and allow for the group to police themselves.
Well, G0ddard decides. I am OK with that. He's not perfect but he tries to be fair. That's all we can ask.

I LIKE the political section. 99% of the people know enough socially to not say something to a person in a post that they wouldn't say to their face, in person.



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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 01:38:17 pm »
There appears to be a STRONG demand for it.

I'd only get rid of the politics forum if meanness and negativity was sustained there by more than a few people. Example - if I thought that I should ban more than 1 or 2 people as a result of participation on that section, I would at least disable it for a cooling off period.

Also, I would close the politics section if bad attitudes seemed to leak onto the professional sections.

I'm quite flexible. If I'm not, then the board will lose all of its users eventually.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 02:22:13 pm by G0ddard B0lt »
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 01:51:48 pm »
Benali, that's the way I see things, too, generally.

I have the following tools at my disposal for "crowd control":

- "Soft" control - I can harangue someone until they leave permanently or at least stop posting. I've done that a few times, now. And sometimes, amazingly, people want to come back.
- Banning - I can block someone from seeing the board by several means: IP address, email address, or user name.
- Block access to sections selectively: I can make either of the two private sections invisible to certain members. I can also give members fine grained access to sections that they see, such as ability to read, not post; ability to post to an existing discussion; or add ability to "lead", start a new thread. Lastly, I can give any member a very low posts per day quota.
- There is a "warn" feature on this board. I can set a number of times to warn someone before they are temporarily banned. So all I have to do is use the warn function.

The challenge I have before me as board-runner is to distinguish between a personality conflicts and genuinely toxic personalities in making this kind of determination. Another criteria is observing deliberate but less obvious toxic patterns, like using passive aggressive comments instead of outright attacks on others. IOW, constantly being a smartass or condescending without a wink.

One criteria I use is whether the person seems to have fights with people who don't appear to fight with anyone else on the board. I will back off if I think I'm the only one fighting, or that I am provoking the fight. I did this yesterday. Even when some board members can't admit that they were in error, ever, I will, just to get things to come to a close.

Lastly, as always, not putting myself on a pedestal, but the role of board runner is incredibly easy to criticize, and everyone seems to have an opinion and some people think that their opinion should be "the" way that I do things. Opinions are like @$$holes, everyone has one and they all stink! And there are opinions rampant on running this board ranging from "you're a f*cking idiot and you're becoming like the old board owner, let all discussions happen with no control because that's the way that the internet is supposed to be" to "get rid of anything extraneous that detracts from the mission."

So, I just do the best I can to appease and/or satisfy most people. But, basically, I agree with your points.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 01:56:09 pm by G0ddard B0lt »
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 03:23:30 pm »
Thanks, G0ddard, for your efforts. You're obviously the "person in the middle" and I -- and others I'm sure -- appreciate your efforts.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 03:29:04 pm »
Thanks, I appreciate it, Benali.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 04:11:08 pm »
Isn't this the kind of arguments that got this board started? Do we really want to go there? You know, the ignore option is there for a reason. We all say how the others are rude and with bad attitude etc., but in the end who is forcing us to read? And how tolerant are we?

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 05:09:30 pm »
Quote from: katyt
Isn't this the kind of arguments that got this board started? Do we really want to go there? You know, the ignore option is there for a reason. We all   say how the others are rude and with bad attitude etc., but in the end who is forcing us to read? And how tolerant are we?
That's a great point.

If everyone "ignores" someone who is being a jerk, they'll eventually go away...no one is talking to them or fighting back, so they go somewhere else.

Well, there WAS IAmRed1...but you can ban people who act like that.



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