Author Topic: Avoiding the stereotyping of others - a desired behavior on this board  (Read 119 times)

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I attacked ITWhore rather viciously in this thread, after he provoked me with yet another snide comment about a business deal I did several months ago.

One thing that I think really sucks in any discussion and is detrimental to a good community is deliberate stereotyping of people's motives and actions. Stereotyping is incessant and constant in the workaday world. The intent of this board - "my" intent, anyway - is that discussion replaces stereotyping and provides an enclave from being attacked in the real world simply because you're trying to make a living in a way that someone else is too uninformed to understand.

We should make it our mutual job here to figure out why the other guy feels and reasons as he does. Attaching a label to someone breaks down that reasoning process.

"You're just a f*cking pimp - you hired some foreign guy low." That's basically what ITWhore was saying to me. After repeated past explanations (which he wasn't having any of.)

Or: "You're a loser - you can't find work." (well, I pretty much did that to Whore in return. Ok, it felt good and I owe him no apology.)

We've had recruiters come onto this board and stereotype us. After we stereotyped them first.

One thing that I always try to do is to "grok" - deeply understand - someone else's reasoning and why they might feel as they do and why they may have reasonably acted in the manner that they did.

When that reasoning & rapport process breaks down, or when I consider that what someone has done is so antithetical to my own values or self interest, I suppose that I will stereotype that person just as mindlessly.

So I try not to and I try to know when I am starting to do so.

Stereotyping - "you're just an XXXX who YYYY and that's why you're poor/jobless/too rich/ZZZZ" is kind of a mini-Godwin's Law event. Same general effect.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2009, 11:39:42 am by G0ddard B0lt »
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Reminds me of my two BBS laws, back in the day...
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2009, 09:26:17 am »
Goddard,

This kind of reminds me of my two "laws" I had back in the day when I was running one of the biggest dBase (then Clipper)
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Rule #1) Do not offend others.
Rule #2) Do not be easily offended.

It "generally" worked for me.

Jim

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Another big eye-opener I had about 25 years ago...
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2009, 09:29:24 am »
I had another really big eye-opener about 25 years ago.  One of my employers was doing some touchy-feely training, and all us supervisors & managers had to go to a seminar titled "Who you are is what you were when....".  It dealt with the complex "life experiences" that went into the general make up of each generation.

It was one of the biggest eye-openers of my life (to that point).

Jim


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re: Another big eye-opener I had about 25 years ago...
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 12:34:56 pm »
Jim, do you remember a book title or an author that was associated with this process? It sounds very interesting.
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Re: Reminds me of my two BBS laws, back in the day...
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 12:37:40 pm »
Agreed - those two points are a lost art. That was pretty common advice on Usenet, which was by definition absolutely unregulated. You can to have a really thick skin, and you had to be REALLY careful of what you wrote.

I've had to sanitize this board at times because Rule #2 has been forgotten by some people who take any perceived offense as a reason to offend.

As far as Rule #1 - I can deal with a negative label once or even three times from the same person. After the tenth time it gets really old and I will retaliate. Most people will.
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Not 100% sure this is it, but it sure doeas sound like it...
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 02:22:36 pm »
What I watched was an old video.  I think the guy's name is Robert Massey.  I do not recall there being any sort of books or pamphlets.

Sorry.

Jim

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Now that I see it
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 03:30:14 pm »
I once had an audio cassette with a similar message, back in the 70s or early 80s.  Probably the same guy.
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